Talk:? (2011 film)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 18:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I will start this review shortly.
 * Please note that I put a request on the talk page that the article needs updating but there has been no response. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I've been looking for reliable sources for it (a blog says it won only one award) but they have yet to be forthcoming. I did not watch the presentation myself, sadly. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Review notes
 * This is a very interesting film. I have a few comments below. All in all I see no great problems. I'm really impressed that the sources are archived!
 * I did some copy editing and feel free to change anything you don't agree with.


 * The plot section was very hard to understand and I think it could be expanded just a little for clarity. It was difficult to keep track of who was who. I think a "Cast" section would be helpful for the reader to be able to refer to.
 * I'm waiting for the DVD to come out for that. It's not in theatres anymore. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are only some of the religions linked?
 * ✅ Linked all.
 * "since she converted" - from what
 * ✅ - From Islam. I thought it was implied as her son was Muslim, but no harm in making it clearer.
 * Why is Abi ostracized?
 * ✅ - Because the neighbours disapprove of his mother.
 * "he dies when suicide bombing a church when Menuk rejects him." - don't understand this.
 * For a person not completely familiar with the relationships among the three religions mentioned, some links or brief explanations would help.
 * Like a background section?
 * Like a background section?


 * Production
 * Is there any information about the writing of the screenplay?
 * None has been forthcoming online from what I can see. I've been dying to get the DVD if / when it comes out for more background information.
 * Any information about casting choices, where filmed and other production issues?
 * "Its release coincided with a contest sponsored by a local cellular provider to give the best name to the events shown in the film." - I'm not sure what giving "the best name to the events shown in the film" means. What were the results?


 * "Accolades"
 * Is "Accolades" the best title for this section?
 * ✅ Changed to awards
 * ", ? is slated to compete in the 2011" - this needs updating, as the results were to be announced November 27.


 * "Controversy"
 * "The youth group Banser, part of NU" - what is NU? What is Banser besides a youth group - what kind of youth group?
 * Partially done. (NU) added after the first use of Nahdlatul Ulama

Please feel free to contact me and/or ask questions and provide feedback.

MathewTownsend (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've done some of the basics. I will work on a characters section asap. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * A few more
 * I don't mean a "background" section on religion, just a little more explanation of how religion and society interact there.
 * e.g. why is Abi ostracized? Isn't being Muslim ok there? Or is it because of his mother being Catholic?
 * Also, when Hendra decides the restaurant will serve exclusively pork, no more is said on that issue. Didn't that have some effects?
 * Surya receives an offer from Rika to play the role of Jesus at her church's Christmas pageant, which he accepts for a high fee after hesitating - does he hesitate because he'll be playing a Christian role? And the "high fee", what is the significance of that? (He's a "ne'er-do-well Muslim actor", so does getting this job make him ok?)


 * Other things
 * Hendra comes into conflict with Soleh over Menuk, as Hendra had previously dated her. Menuk becomes increasingly depressed after Soleh tells her that he plans to divorce her. - (but then) - Eventually, Soleh joins the Islamic group Nahdlatul Ulama, enabling him to feel more confident; however, after Menuk refuses to take him back ... (I thought he was the one who wanted to divorce her. Did he want the divorce because he lacked self confidence?)


 * However, its becoming clearer. Your edits helped! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:28, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've got most of those down. I'm still going to work on getting a character section in there. Where do you think the religious information should be worked in? I'll also probably give a sentence or two about discrimination against Chinese Indonesians. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply - I think just a little more explanation in the plot. Nothing elaborate - just the things I mentioned. Since religious conflict drives the plot, it would help if were clear how it does. I know about the three major religions mentioned, but I don't know how they interact in Indonesia. That's all. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Background has been added. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a little too much background. How about:
 * "? focuses interfaith relations in Indonesia where interfaith conflicts are common and there is a long history of violence and discrimination against Chinese Indonesians."
 * Otherwise, it gets a little off topic. Let the plot tell the story. MathewTownsend (talk) 02:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Trimmed. Anything else? Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I made a few changes but feel free to correct. It's all fine. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose quality:
 * B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. References to sources:
 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Does it follow the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Pass or Fail:


 * Awesome, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)