Talk:¡Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!

Lyrics
I put up the lyrics to this song in Spanish and in English, but they were taken down. The user who removed them stated it was due to a copyright violation. I am not a very experienced Wikipedia editor and do not know the proper way to put lyrics on this page. Could someone please explain why what I did was a copyright violation and how I can include lyrics on this page without violating copyright laws.--Jpcase (talk) 22:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, let's see. The lyrics were written by Ernesto Cortazar in... well, they were published in 1941, let's assume they were written that that same year, at which point Ernesto II was only an infant, so they were obviously written by Ernesto Sr, and he died when Ernesto II was 13, so that's, hm, 1953... and this chart indicates (if I'm interpreting it correctly, which I may not be) that the copyright on (works written in Mexico prior to 1996) expires 75 years after the death of the creator (with certain exceptions that don't apply here). It's 2011 now, 2011-1953 = 58, 75 - 58 = 17...


 * so unless I missed something (not impossible), the copyright will expire on the Spanish lyrics in about 17 years (better wait 18, just in case), at which point it will be okay to post them in the article. As for the English lyrics, those were by Ray Gilbert, American citizen died in 1976, so I believe that's 70 years, so the copyright expires 2046... except that he wrote it at the behest of the Disney Corporation, which pretty much makes things more complicated...


 * as for the music, Espeeron only died in Februrary of this year (he was 99), so (if I'm interpreting it correctly, which is not guaranteed) that's either 70 or 100 more years before it becomes public-domain. This probably wasn't what you were hoping to be told, I know, but it's the truth. DS (talk) 15:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. I had thought that there was a way to legally include lyrics on Wikipedia pages, because I have seen other pages do it for songs that I'm pretty sure are not in the public domain, but I suppose that those articles really shouldn't have the lyrics included either and they simply haven't been removed yet.--Jpcase (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Original release
Can anybody provide a reliable reference to prove that "Ay, Jalisco, no te rajes!" was indeed written for the 1941 film of the same name? I decided to say that it was in this article as it seems very likely to be true, however I have not been able to locate anything that could be used as a reference. When I asked the question on the comment section of this webpage - http://www.tuvez.com/tu-vez-blast-from-the-past-truck-the-three-caballeros/ - I was told that the song was written for the 1941 film, however I am not sure how reliable Jack Tomas is and I can't use a comment section as a reference anyway. Still I believe that there is enough reason to believe that the song was written for the 1941 film of the same name to include the information on this page. But if there is a reference out there that can undeniabley verify it, please let me know!--Jpcase (talk) 00:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)