Talk:Ágnes Szávay

Discussion concerning this article
A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you. Tennis expert (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Until there is no concensus at Requested moves/Tennis for ALL tennis biographies (French, Spanish, Czech etc.), the move of the article to a name without diacritics is not acceptable. Thank you. Squash Racket (talk) 05:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not acceptable to you, that is. You are only one voice on this issue.  Tennis expert (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...really? This administrator speaks about the whole issue in past tense "as a very sad proposal indeed". Squash Racket (talk) 06:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You really need to brush up on the powers of administrators concerning content and policy issues like this. Tennis expert (talk) 06:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You said I was only one voice on this. I showed you others also disagreed (not "just" some administrators of course). Squash Racket (talk) 06:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
The name of this article should be changed to "Agnes Szavay" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, which are the Women's Tennis Association and the International Tennis Federation. That also is the name used on the English-language websites of Fed Cup, the US Open, Wimbledon, the French Open (Roland Garros), and the Australian Open. The evidence for naming this article "Agnes Szavay" is overwhelmingly supported by current English-language Wikipedia policy (WP:UE) and English-language websites around the world. See, e.g., (1) "Agnes Szavay, rising star of women's tennis" on London Daily Telegraph website; (2) "Agnes Szavay, Tathiana Garbin advance with straight-set victories" on International Herald Tribune website; (3) "Agnes Szavay (HUN)" on The New York Times website; (4) "Agnes and Blanka" on The New Yorker website; (5) "Darth Federer outguns Roddick" on Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald website; (6) "Agnes Szavay confirms participation in Bangalore Open" on The Times of India website; and (7) Navarro stuns Mauresmo on the Gulf Daily News (Bahrain) website. There are many other examples. Tennis expert (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * We can get back to this issue if there is a clear decision at Requested moves/Tennis (or somewhere else) on ALL the names involved. Squash Racket (talk) 06:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As the discussion there proved, it is not a question of consensus. Rather, it is simply applying established Wikipedia policy.  This is not subject to voting or polling or canvassing.  Nor is this an "all or nothing" issue.  I suggest you re-read that discussion.  Tennis expert (talk) 06:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is the appropriate place to talk about that. You can initiate a new proposal or ask administrators to clearly state what to do.
 * What won't happen is this: moving some players' page while all the others (similarly with diacritics) remain on their places. The revert warring that you continue after you deleted my message from your page as "preemptive" is NOT a solution. Thank you for now. Squash Racket (talk) 06:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * (1) "What won't happen," huh? As I said already, this is not your sole decision.  (2) Excuse me?  Revert warring?  Have you heard the expressions "pot calling the kettle black" or "people in glass houses should not throw stones"?  Have a look at your diffs: 1, 2.  As for my deleting your messages on my discussion page, see WP:UP and WP:HUSH.  Tennis expert (talk) 06:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I told you what WON'T happen: moving this page WITHOUT a concensus to move similar names (or at least tennis biographies) with diacritics. You were revert warring with two editors, , and even continued after removing my message in an extremely uncivil manner for which you haven't been reported here:. You may remove a message per WP:UP (nobody says you may not) but NOT with an edit summary like that. WP:AN3 asks for a diff of a warning from before the rule was disobeyed. Labelling my message a false warning (WP:HUSH) now is wrong as you were revert warring with two different editors and you even continued DESPITE the warning. Squash Racket (talk) 07:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I reverted twice in this article. You reverted twice in this article.  Did you warn yourself?  Strangely enough, you didn't.  Instead, you tried to give me a warning to support your own longstanding and forum-shopping agenda about the name of this article.  Do you actually read the links I've given you?  Here's an excerpt from WP:HUSH for your reading convenience: "Placing numerous false or questionable 'warnings' on a user's talk page ... and otherwise trying to display material the user may find annoying" are covered by WP:HUSH.  Annoying and questionable more than adequately cover your posts on my discussion page.  Tennis expert (talk) 07:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's not forget you reverted to a wrong version (as the concensus now stands), Mareklug and me corrected it.
 * WP:AN3 asks for a diff of a warning from before the rule was disobeyed. Labelling my message a false warning (WP:HUSH) now is wrong as you were revert warring with two different editors and you even continued DESPITE the warning.
 * The other warning was about civility after this extremely uncivil edit here.
 * After this "Longstanding and forum shopping agenda?" (I haven't initiated a single thread on the issue) I think you would also found it strange if you were reported now (instead of "questionable warnings"). Squash Racket (talk) 07:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * So, you're saying that someone hacked into your Wikipedia account when this request was made? Or how about this one?  Tennis expert (talk) 07:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know the talk pages of Prolog and Orderinchaos were forums. These requests were made on personal talk pages (not forums) after all other pages had been moved back to their original titles, this one had been forgotten. I also remember the answer:"Hey. I reverted only the ones I happened to notice. There are probably a few more, but I don't have time to dig much deeper now. You don't need admin tools to move over a redirect with no page history, though, so you can revert the move yourself if you wish. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 23:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)" Squash Racket (talk) 08:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * (1) Thread, forum. Big difference.  (2) You keep saying that "all other pages had been moved back to their original titles."  But as I've told you repeatedly, that is far from an accurate statement.  Tennis expert (talk) 08:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * (1) OK, you don't seem to understand what forum shopping means. Here is the reason why I posted this on Prolog's page too:"Apologies, but I really haven't the time to fix it at present (between sleep, cooking, travelling and exams :). I have no problem with someone else fixing them in the appropriate manner and notifying me on my talk page. If done in that order, I can look through the user contribs, see that the edits were done correctly, fix if necessary, and will be happy to defend them along with my 82 reversions. Orderinchaos 16:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)"
 * (2) And Prolog's message (same as above, please read it):"I reverted only the ones I happened to notice. There are probably a few more, but I don't have time to dig much deeper now." As you can see, the administrators probably missed some (which ones BTW?), but only by chance. You still know your page moves today were wrong, not to talk about your uncivil comments. Squash Racket (talk) 08:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Have you heard the expression "don't put words in my mouth"? If not, look it up.  Tennis expert (talk) 08:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Which words do you refer to? Squash Racket (talk) 08:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for wider input on discussion at WikiProject Tennis
There is a long, ongoing discussion at WP:Tennis about the tournament tables found in tennis articles on English-language Wikipedia (e.g., this type of table). The discussion is about whether the "official sponsored name" of a tournament - such as Pacific Life Open - or another tournament name without the sponsor - such as Indian Wells Masters - must be used in those articles. Please join the discussion here. Thanks. Tennis expert (talk) 09:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Removal of "overly detailed" template
I have removed the link to the "Overly detailed" template, as I don't believe it is relevant to this page (and no-one has attempted to do anything about it since it was added 3 years ago). I looked around Wikipedia at pages of other tennis players - there are plenty of them (e.g. Maria Sharapova, Serena Williams, Sam Stosur, etc) with much more detail than this one, but they don't have this template linked at the top. All results are in their own section, so if a reader does not want to read all the detail, they can skip this section.

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