Talk:Ármin Vámbéry

Identity, names

 * Vámbéry's own national identity was obviously Hungarian not Jewish as with the case of most Jewish people in Hungary in the 19th century.
 * What makes it 'obvious'? Is it what Herzl said "[He] doesn't know whether he is more Turk than Englishman"? No mention of being Hungarian.
 * Or is it that "he was a secret agent of Turkey and of England"?
 * Perhaps that Herzl chose a credible, trusted JEWISH man to work with?
 * " obviously Hungarian as with the case of most Jewish people in Hungary in the 19th century" quotation needed to such a claim - apart from the obvious propaganda. "Rakosi" Roth and the Jewish government of Hungary come to mind. And Tiszaeszlar.
 * For the last 1,300 or so years the Jewish diaspora proved how adamant and resolute they are to preserve their identity and culture - despite the continuous persecution. And now they are accused that they gave it all up to become Hungarians. What is so special about Hungarians that they would readily and voluntarily abandon their identity and culture? They might even be offended by that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.29.185 (talk) 06:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The place names should be Hungarian first because this was the official language in the 19th century in the Koh. Of course no problem with indicating present-day names or any other often used names from the given age but don't be anacronistic. Zello 13:48, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No, Latin was only official until 1844 and Vámbéry was born in 1832. It is obvious that almost all in his life Hungarian was the only official language of the Koh. But I'm not against to use names which were common or used by the majority of the population that time, for example Pressburg and Svaty Jur. The discussion is only about which we should use on the first place and which on the second. I think official names should be used first, and before 1844 the place names of the historical majority. Zello 18:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

"WESTERN EUROPEAN?" "SUNNITE DERVISH?"
1. Is Bratislava considered western Europe?

2. Why use "Sunnite" as opposed to "Sunni"? Aren't dervishes Sufi? Why modify the term dervish at all?

Adam Holland (talk) 18:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This is pure guess on my part, but MittelEuropa (the German and Austro-Hungarian spheres) are considered "Western" not in the absolute, but as compared to the truly Eastern part of Europe that was in the Russian and Ottoman spheres.
 * Similarly, while the dervish indeed follow the sufi path of mystic Islam, many, possibly most of them, were Persian in origin, and came from mostly shi'ite background, hence the relevance of the "sunnite" mention, especially in light of the fact that Vambéry was travelling through shi'ite Persia. I hope this helps --Svartalf (talk) 20:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

The map is incorrect.
The "BALKANS" sign in the map is actually around 2000 km more to the east. The sign must be between Budapest and Istanbul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.70.67.54 (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Excised paragraph
Removed an entire paragraph which made several unreferenced strong accusations about intrigue by Vambery. The writing was 10 years + old, all by one numbered editor, who made no other contributions—someone who very likely had a strong POV concerning Vambery. Good riddance. (Obviously the citations no longer apply) Tapered (talk) 03:42, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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Why nowt byword anent Armin Vambery and his links to Windsor Castle!!?
I only upraise the aforesaid by dint of clocking an book hight: Dervish of Windsor Castle: ''The Life of Arminius Vambery Alder, L. & Dalby, R. 1979'' 2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:D1BB:C42E:43ED:9BBC (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)