Talk:État québécois

Some also refer to our government as le garnement AlainV 03:30, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Haha. I heard "le gouverne-ment" ("govern-lies", for our english speaking friends reading), or "Premier minus" for "Premier Ministre" that Rock et Belles Oreilles used, but not this one. "Le garnement" is more apt than ever with the beloved government we currently have. :P --Liberlogos 23:38, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Province (de|du) Québec
The article repeatedly mentions the phrase province de Québec. Isn't the correct French phrase province du Québec? I was taught that de Québec means "of Quebec City" and du Québec means "of Quebec [province]".--Indefatigable 15:04, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * You were taught right; text corrected. --Valmi[[User_talk:Valmi| &#10002;]] 16:02, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Quite on the contrary!!! The traditional term in "Province de Québec"! Since the Quiet Revolution, at the few times that the diminishing term "province" is used, "du" can be seen more, but "de" is correct and maybe what's said the most between the two. --Liberlogos 05:00, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * With due respect, this is grammatical nonsense. If you'd say au Québec then you have to say du Québec. On the other hand saying de Québec implies that you'd say à Québec. Compare le français du Québec and le français de Québec. --Valmi[[User_talk:Valmi| &#10002;]] 19:36, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * The province is named after the city, not the other way round. Although «Province du Québec» does occur, «Province de Québec» is more common and is also the form found in official documents. It follows logically because it means (or at least meant originally) «Province administrée de (Ville) Québec». Peter Grey 22:00, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion results
This page was listed on votes for deletion. Please see Votes for deletion/État québécois for the results of the debate. -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:17, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Decolonization
I removed from the "Reasons" section: "This was consistent with the Quiet Revolution, presented by many of its proponents and architects as a process of decolonization" because it makes no sense. A. Lafontaine 15:05, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I put back the sentence you removed. The parallel to decolonization was a major theme in the 60s and 70s. See for a few examples. UnHoly 02:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Non-neutral unsourced content
My feeling is that this term is used by federalists as much as sovereigntists. The meaning of "État" here is simply the "State" as opposed to private entities and the federal government. The whole thing about how people use the expression because they think Quebec "ought to be" an independent state rings false to me. The reason nationalists are likely to say that the strengthening of the Quebec government is a good thing is because historically they've viewed it as defending francophone interests better than the federal government or the private sector. But that doesn't mean that their name for the Quebec state is different than that of non-nationalists. There are no sources, so it's hard to tell. "Etat ontarien" turns up 70 hits on google, while "Etat canadien" gets 57,000. "Etat fédéral" is also common, but unfortunately has another meaning so it's hard to tell them apart. Joeldl 14:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)