Talk:Île Saint-Paul

Name change?
I suggest that this article be changed to Saint-Paul IslandOska 02:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello Oska, I'd actually have to say I'm contrary to this name-change, there is an island 200 kms off Alaska called "Saint Paul Island", so keeping the french Ile instead of Island probably keeps confusion at bay - no pun intended :) Thank you for your contributions anyway, if more people agree with you we'd obviously change the name. Sorry, I deleted his contribution but mistake but I've put it back in thanks to Wiki page history. Neoncitylights 02:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Treasure?
taken off from the article :
 * Further it's expected a huge treasure of jewish gold and diamonds hidden by German Naval officers during WWII in the near of entry to the bassin (SOURCE NEEDED). This treasure is not found until today also because French authoroties do not grant a licence of excavation.Further it's expected a huge treasure of jewish gold and diamonds hidden by German Naval officers during WWII in the near of entry to the bassin. This treasure is not found until today also because French authoroties do not grant a licence of excavation.

Never heard of it ! Give your sources please ! Channer 02:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Here are my sources:


 * The German Naval cadet Gerhard Abbels wrote his diploma work 2004 about the German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis. As you know, the 'Atlantis' has crossed the area of the Kerguelen.


 * During his research Abbels found orignal papers and documents in the archives of the "Heeresgeschichtliche Museum Hamburg" (Museum of German Military History). There are without doubt handwritten notices (with official chops) and radio communication logs from the captain of the 'Atlantis' Bernhard_Rogge with the content that the box with gold, diamonds and bonds were hidden on St. Paul Island 'as ordered'. It was highly believed that the Atlanis may be destroyed by the British Royal Navy very soon. So thus they've hidden the box to collect it later.


 * It's not clear if the French authorities know or believe the story. Anyway they don't allow treasure seeking on St. Paul Island.


 * Fähnrich Gerhard Abbels - Die 'Atlantis' (Marineakademie Bremerhaven, Deutschland, 2004)
 * Heeresgeschichtliches Museum Hamburg, Archiv No. 245/1940 - Logbuch und Dokumente Kapitän Rogge.
 * Dokumentations- Staatsarchiv Hamburg, ID AB/8856/1940 - Dokumente.


 * So my information is true and should be reversed to the article. Hope that helped, Gruss--Feldmarschall von Hansen 22:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again to Channer for restoring my information.


 * I just want to add that this news isn't as sensational as at first glance. I looked again in the papers, the amount or value of the hidden gold is not stated and it could be well possible that a seeking expedition would cost more than the found treasure. Secondly, as I presume, the Nazis have often hidden stolen objects where a part isn't still found till today. --Feldmarschall von Hansen 12:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Clive Cussler's novel Atlantis Found has the remains of a prehistoric civilization discovered on St. Paul Island. 99.9.112.31 (talk) 01:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)NotWillDecker

Antipodes
I mistakenly edited the Antipodes statement, since the geographic coordinates of Kerguelen Island seem to show that its antipode is in Canada. However, the northenmost peninsulas of Kerguelen are antipodes to an area just over the US border in Montana, so I reverted the edit. Stereoroid 23:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Coordinate error
The following coordinate fixes are need for showing: 38° 43′ 48″ S, 77° 31′ 20″ E

should be: 38° 43′ 48″ S, 77° 31′ 20″ W

—70.27.21.233 (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Declined — Coordinates are correct. Suggested correction would put the location in the South Pacific, not in the Indian Ocean. Just FYI: E longitudes are east of 0 degrees longitude, the Prime Meridian, and west of the 180 degrees longitude, (very) roughly the International Date Line, W latitudes are opposite that: west of 0, east of 180. —  T RANSPORTER M AN  ( TALK ) 15:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The first good map
Article states: "The first good map of the island was not drawn up until 1857, when the Austrian frigate Novara...". I have located and uploaded the 1857 map, which was not to be found in the cited English translation of Scherzer's account of the Novara expedition, but is included in the German version (on BHL). However it does not appear to be any better than two earlier maps, that of Péron, 1792-1795 published in 1824 or Blackwood's survey of 1842, published in 1850. So I propose editing this to give priority to Péron. Kognos (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Possession (or renunciation?) by France
"All fishery operations were, however, abandoned in 1853, when the French government renounced its possession of the two islands.[4]"

This isn't mentioned again. Given it is still listed as a French possession, did that really happen, and was it reversed later? ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 14:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)