Talk:Ó Fearghail

The Farrell Clan Coat of Arms
There is no such thing as a Clan coat of arms! Coats of arms belong only to one person at a time. Sorry. Fergananim 18:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Cute, funny, and sadly not true. Coats of arms can belong to an individual, a group, a family, an army regiment, a county, a region, or a country. If there was no such thing as a Farrell coat of arms, how come there are hundreds of pictures of it, all the same, in lots of different books and websites? --Steve Farrell 01:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Coat of Arms 2
For over two years now, people have been putting Cardinal Kevin Farrell's coat of arms at the top of the page, as though that was the CoA of the Farrell clan. In the last five days, an IP has repeatedly put it back with the edit summary, The Vatican's record on the arms are the most authoritative. It may be authoritative on this one person's CoA, but it has no bearing whatever on the clan CoA. The clan CoA is this one. As the person above said (16 years ago!), "there are hundreds of pictures of it, all the same, in lots of different books and websites". Just do a Google search. --Scolaire (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This edit to the lead once again tries to make Cardinal Kevin Farrell a central figure in the Ó Fearghail clan. He's not; he's just one of many many people with the name "Farrell". Scolaire (talk) 15:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2023
Please change the arms of this family to the Vatican verified coat of arms: "Coat of arms of Kevin Joseph Farrell (Cardinal).svg"

And please change the last two sentences of the page leader from the first quote following to the second quote following, noting the relevance of ecclesiastical authority to this particular family in the way of their ecclesiastical achievements:

"The lineage of Fearghail also provided chiefs of the Dál Messin Corb and its derivative Uí Garrchon. The surname became Farrell."

"The lineage of Fearghail also provided chiefs of the Dál Messin Corb and its derivative Uí Garrchon, as well as producing 7 Bishops of Ardagh. The surname became Farrell, and Kevin Farrell became Cardinal Bishop of Dallas, Texas."

Thank you for your service and kind regards. 120.17.157.164 (talk) 07:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I have already started a discussion at Coat of Arms 2, the section right above this one. Please make your arguments there. Scolaire (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

The cardinal again!
This article is about a medieval family named Ó Fearghail. The fact that they were hereditary bishops of Ardagh in the 14th and 15th centuries is worth noting in the article, though not in the lead. The fact that people called Farrell "later (produced) 11 Irish bishops and an American cardinal" is not on topic at all. Per my post two threads up, Cardinal Kevin Farrell is not a central figure in the Ó Fearghail clan; he's just one of many many people with the name "Farrell". And who were the "11 Irish bishops" (do they include the seven bishops of Ardagh?) and what is the source for them? Scolaire (talk) 14:08, 4 October 2023 (UTC)