Talk:Östergötland

2005-2008
The proposal that a land consisting of Östergötland and Västergötland was a consistuent of the Swedish kingdom, or that such a land ever existed, or that such a constitution ever took place, is mere speculation, hence the deletion of that part. --Jao 17:40, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Ostrogothia redirects to here. What is the difference between the terms Ostrogothia and Östergötland? Are they the same thing? I could not find an explanation in the main article. —Tokek 15:36, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * late by about three years but it looks like Östergötland is just the Swedish name for Ostrogothia Pw33n (talk) 06:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the anglization "Ostrogothia" for Östergötland is very bad. It could lead to confusion with the Ostrogothic Kingdom, which of course is something quite else. --Vedum (talk) 22:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

East Gothland
I see no good reason to remove a name form that is well known in English literature, ecpecially in older such, just because one Swedish editor, who prefers to use the Swedish language in English text, considers it "not a common name". There is a perfectly reliable source cited, and many more can be cited is necessary. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * An occurrence in a single source does not motivate inclusion in the lead per WP:ASTONISH and WP:UNDUE. You need to show the bigger picture.
 * Peter Isotalo 17:01, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not agree, when the source is that substantial, and I object to your reversal without further discussion where others have an opportunity to opine. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * How many sources would you like? There's a huge amount. If there weren't, I wouldn't have reversed you, a coutesy toward opponents which I cordially recommend. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I was asked for a third opinion. I don't see any reason why "East Gothland" should be removed.  It may be helpful to readers who know nothing of any Germanic language other than English to know that is what the name of the province means, aside from the fact that some reliable sources use it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Reverted back for now.
 * "East Gothland" seems a bit rare and dated compared to "Östergötland", though. Is this really relevant for the lead without any qualification? As a parallel, Scania's mention "Skåne" is pretty heavily caveated as "local" despite also being used in English.
 * Peter Isotalo 13:32, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The good source is the qualification, and we who do a lot of work to find good sources appreciate it when that work is respected, not disregarded. It's also nice to have only one good source cited, where it would actually be possible to have as many as 10-15.
 * Thank you! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)