Talk:Škabrnja massacre

2007
On ICTY's sentence judgement page (the case of Milan Martić), says: "The  Trial Chamber  has taken particular note of the fact that the attacks on predominantly Croat areas during the autumn of 1991 and early 1992 followed a generally similar pattern, that is: the area or village in question was shelled, after which armed ground units entered. After the fighting had subsided, acts of killing and violence were committed against the non-Serb civilian population who had not managed to flee. Houses, churches and property were destroyed, and widespread looting was carried out as part of the forcible removal. On several occasions, the SAO Krajina police and TO organised transport for the non-Serb population in order to remove it from SAO Krajina territory altogether to locations under Croatian control. Members of the non-Serb population would also be rounded up and taken away to detention facilities, including in central Knin, and eventually exchanged and transported to areas under Croatian control. ''Thus, the threat clearly expressed in Milan Martić's ultimatum in Kijevo was carried out in the territory of the SAO Krajina through the commission of widespread, grave crimes. This created an atmosphere of fear in which the further presence of Croats and other non-Serbs in the SAO Krajina was made impossible. The Trial Chamber has therefore concluded that the displacement of the Croat and other non-Serb population which followed these attacks was not merely the consequence of military action, but in fact its primary objective. ''" This should be helpful. Kubura 07:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

On that same page Martić's sentence, says: "The attack on Kijevo marked a turning point in the JNA's role in the conflict in Croatia, and from that point, the JNA participated in attacks on majority-Croat areas and villages together with SAO Krajina MUP and TO forces. From August 1991 and into early 1992, these combined forces attacked several Croat-majority villages and areas, including Hrvatska Kostajnica, Cerovljani, Hrvatska Dubica, Baćin, Saborsko, Poljanak, Lipovača, Škabrnja and Nadin. The evidence shows that the attacks were carried out in order to connect Serb villages and areas across non-Serb areas. During these attacks, the crimes of murder, destruction, plunder, detention, torture, and cruel treatment were committed against the non-Serb population. ". Kubura 07:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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On November 18, 1991, Serb paramilitaries, supported by the JNA, captured the village of Škabrnja (also: Škabrnje) and killed 25 Prisoners of war and 61 civilians over the next several days.

In article,used as a source for this claim says following:
 * na 18. studenog 1991., kad su četnici, predvođeni postrojbama bivše JNA, ubijali Škabrnju. (on 15. November 1991,when Chetniks led by JNA forces,killed Škabrnja)
 * Tog je dana u Škabrnji poginulo 25 branitelja i zvjerski ubijeno 55 civila, a još šest je mještana nastradalo nakon oslobođenja u minskim poljima (On that day in Škabrnja died 25 defenders and was monstruosly killed 55 civilians, and 6 more villagers died after liberation in mine fields)

So,we have following mistakes in initial sentence:
 * 1) atack was carried out by JNA with support of Serb paramilitaries,not opposite
 * 2) 25 croatian fighters died during fightings,not afterwards as PoWs
 * 3) 55 civilians were killed on that day and 6 died after the war in mine fields around village,not 61 killed civilians over the next several days

CrniBombarder!!!    (†)  15:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)