Talk:.458 Lott

This Article Violates Copyrights
Article as it is has been copied outright from an article by Kevin E. Steele titled Buff Busters. Therefore it violates copyrights of Peterson Publishing Inc. DeusImperator (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The picture is owned by Werner Booysen and/or Koos Badenhorst. It looks like Koos Badenhorst wants to copyright and trademark anythign he touches. Do we know if he released this pic to Wiki? Or was it just copied to Wiki? DeusImperator (talk) 01:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have a web link? We probably need to add a copyvio tag. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 02:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * http://www.458lott.com/photo.htm
 * http://www.458lott.com/


 * The article is from http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/buff_1124/index.html
 * We can avoid copy violation by re-writing sentences which would be comply with copyright regulations. I am already working on a substitute at present... here is what it might look like ...so far

The .458 Lott firearms cartridge is a big bore hunting round designed as a replacement for the less powerful .458 Winchester Magnum. It is based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum blown out and shortened to 2.800 inches. The cartridge is a .458 caliber straight belted cartridge.

Cartridge History Jack Lott, a big game hunter and a noted writer, suffered an adverse encounter in Mozambique with an African Cape buffalo some time during the 1950s in which he suffered injuries. He had been hunting with the then new .458 Winchester Magnum. After that encounter he was convinced that a more powerful cartridge was required than the .458 Winchester Magnum. He searched for a big bore stopping cartridge which would suit his needs perfectly.

Not finding a cartridge that would suit his purposes, he designed a cartridge which would be to his liking. Jack Lott opened up the .375 H&H Magnum to accept a .45 caliber bullet and shortened it to 2.8, just enough to provide Jack Lott what he considered to be the ideal velocity he required. The resulting cartridge is called the .458 Lott in his honor. General Information The .458 Winchester Magnum was put into production in 1956 and was an immediate commercial success. It was a more economical alternative to the English double rifles that were considered the standard for dangerous game hunting in Africa. The .458 Winchester Magnum promised to emulate the performance of the .450 Nitro Express in a cartridge designed for a standard length bolt action rifle. However, it was become apparent that the .458 Winchester Magnum had several factors contributing to its at less than stellar performance in Africa: powder clumping and use in 20 – 22 inch barrel rifles.

The .458 Loot was soon chambered by A-Square as a proprietary cartridge. However, the Lott remained fairly obscure until Ruger offered the cartridge in their Ruger M77RSM rifles. Since then there has been a movement away from the .458 Winchester Magnum towards the .458 Lott among hunters heading to Africa.

Prior to the arrival of the .458 Lott there were a few .45 caliber cartridges with similar performance levels based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum case such as the .450 Watts Magnum and the .450 Ackley Magnum.

Performance The .458 Lott is designed to provide about 200 ft/s more velocity than the .458 Winchester Magnum.

The cartridge of firing a 500 gr. bullet at 2300 ft/s from a 23 - 24 inch barrel.


 * So it would be substantially the same but avoids any copyright issues that may crop up if some one wants to press the issue (doubt it but...)

DeusImperator (talk) 03:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, do you know when you plan to do the replacement, because I really should tag the thing as coyvio since it's so blatant. But that will make it hard for you to work on. I'd rather trim it to a stub then flag it if I can. Depends on how soon you plan to update. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 03:55, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Give me an hour.DeusImperator (talk) 03:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I put up what I have had so far. Pic may need to go ... do we know if there Wiki was given a release for this pic? I am not sure how to check this on Wiki. DeusImperator (talk) 04:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm - not sure on the image. But there is a guy who might know... He's been checking some of the Hubel images - try asking User talk:ARTEST4ECHO. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 04:20, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Tags
I added a couple of tags to indicate what we have to work on in the post copyvio era. We need to get the refs in place, inline if possible. And need to do the usual wiki links, etc. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 04:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Started to add em in. The article will need a little more meat on it too... —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeusImperator (talk • contribs) 04:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll work on it too this weekend if I can. Turns out the guy who cause the problem here messed up some other articles as well. I'm stripping what I can but the 6x45 mm article is probably a goner. If you want to take a look at it and fix like you did here. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 05:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That is a Benchrest cartridge based on the 223 I think. It is the basis for the 6mm TCU (TC contender) if I am not mistaken. I will look into that tomorrow. I see the interdiction on the page. DeusImperator (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I am adding a few sources here for the moment. DeusImperator (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

On the .450 Ackley and the 450 Watts being included as Variants
Hi all, Could I get some thoughts or direction in including the .450 Ackley and .450 Watts as variants of the .458 Lott. Both these cartridge predate the Lott cartridge but are all based on the same idea. Please provide some suggestion as how to approach the issue or make the changes if you wish. Thanks all —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeusImperator (talk • contribs) 22:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say add them. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 18:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I made redirects for .450 Ackley Magnum and .450 Watts Magnum. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 22:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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 * http://www.safariandoutdoor.co.za/watts-lott-pappas-a-12.html
 * In .458 Lott on 2011-05-20 21:37:42, 404 NOT FOUND
 * In .458 Lott on 2011-05-31 13:03:13, 404 NOT FOUND

--JeffGBot (talk) 13:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Speed notations
I see that the speed notations are created using a formula. The resulting text is "foot-per-second", which is wrong. The correct way of expressing fps is "feet per second". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abulgin (talk • contribs) 13:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes it does look quite funny. Wikipedia did that.

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