Talk:.hack//Legend of the Twilight/Archive 1

Page move
The page was moved so that it would match with the official English title. All of the redirect pages have been fixed, as well, to point to this page. --nihon 08:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Translation error?
How can you possibly go from "黄昏の腕輪伝説" to "DUSK" because of a translation error? Since "黄昏" means "dusk", it seems much more likely that it's shortened (for whatever reason) than that it's actually mis-translated. Shinobu 11:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I've always understood //DUSK was chosen by fansubbers since, being 4 letters, it was homogenous with //SIGN. I believe the games all have four character titles also (although being four Kanji, not roman letters) Shiroi Hane 01:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. That makes sense. Not a translation error therefore, but a deliberate choice. Shinobu 17:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a translation error only insofar as tasogare (黄昏) is always rendered as "Twilight" in the context of all of .hack --Blue Dream 03:49, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The only official mention of Dusk in the entirety of .hack is just a keyword in the Games. No official source has said that .hack//Legend of the Twilight can be called .hack//DUSK. Kulaguy 01:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Airing
Is it really relevant when this was aired and on what channel? I don't really think so, but comments are welcome. Shinobu 19:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Hotaru a Boy IRL?
I don't think so... but my information is sketchy. The manga shows Hotaru as a "Cool girl" type of a person. I'll give this a couple of days but otherwise I'm going to edit the article. Steve J 01:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Actualy, after looking at the manga more intently. I am going to edit the article now and note that it is disputed. I'm going to go on record that Hotaru is a girl in real life. Steve J 01:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not entirely sure this counts as canonical evidence, since it is based more off the anime but in the .hack//udeden CD drama that was included in Japan-exclusive package, .hack//integration, it is revealed that Hotaru is a male (Shuugo first encounters him in the boys' restroom...^^;;). Considering that the drama correctly portrayed Mireille and Ouka's real life counterparts as a 4-year-old girl and a nerdy college student (respectively), it probably correctly portrays Hotaru's real life counterpart as well.

Whether it is a translation error courtesy of Tokyopop or not, I'd like to note Hotaru is referred to has a "he" in .hack//AI Buster 2:

 His partner, a female Wavemaster, turned and said, "He's probably a gaijin." (p.161)

- Bakazuki 20:18, 10 April 2006 (-8 GMT)


 * Hotaru's previous avatar, "Firefly", could have been male, while Hotaru in real life is female. None of the text relating to her home life refers to her as male; in fact, her gender is mentioned only as regards to the other players using male pronouns. CNash 00:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't consider Legend of the Twilight anime or anything related to be cannon... reason being is that the "Legend" story was originally meant to be a manga and so I only consider the manga cannon. Not to say that the CD drama isn't an interesting story, but I just don;t think of it as cannon. - Steve J 21:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Hotaru is a girl in real life, a tomboy to be specific. The anime is non-canon and therefore does not count. And with the quote you posted, it's Tokyopop. They've done many mistranslations in their .hack products (ie Ouka being translated as Orca), or more gender-wise, translating the girl (Saki Shibayama AKA Kamui) that worked under Albireo in AI Buster as a boy. Kulaguy 01:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

in the //ledgend of the twilight manga, the second one to be specific, rei izumi adresses this issue in the back of the manga. she devotes a whole page to it in fact. hotaru is the same type of type of character as tsukasa and then ergo the same type as elk and hotaru is a girl. in the third manga, the characters are all shown in real life. hotaru definitely wears very boyish clothes, but she is obviously a girl. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.247.103.139 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 9 June 2006.

The page devoted to Hotaru in the back of manga #2 states, "But in truth, Hotaru is the same type of character [as Tsukasa]" meaning that Hotaru is a Male character. Tsukasa was conviced that he was a male because he character WAS MALE, so Hotaru's character is a male version too. Therefore, the anime's last episode (Let's Meet Offline) makes sense because Hotaru would then be a male in real life as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.134.222.94 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 27 June 2006.


 * What are you saying? Hotaru's Avatar is CLEARLY female. Yeah, it is the same type as Tsukasa, as in : Young Wavemaster, but Hotaru's a female version. They have the same hat and similar clothes, for starters, but the characters look very different. Elk and Tsukasa are obviously boys. Hotaru is a girl. And yeah, like it's been said, Hotaru's real-life self appears in the manga. And she's a girl. End of story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.191.22.226 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 8 September 2006.

Removal of Headline text
Should that section even be there? It's has nothing to do with anything and is riddled with misspellings. Further the "Characters" section appears to have been pasted from the article for no apparent reason. If any other wikipedian concurs with this evaluation, please remove both this and the headline text sections.-- 72.196.14.187 Saturday, April 15, 2006 at 04:21:35 (GMT)

Anime and Manga Difference
Shouldn't it be noted on the front page that the Manga and Anime have different plot endings? And that the Anime version has hardly any relevance to the overall plot of the series, unlike it's manga counter-part? Such things should be noted. --60.228.185.114 15:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous
There's no plot summary of either the anime OR the manga, there's no seperation of facts from either of the two, and the 'recent' announcement of GU is WAY past date. Perhaps the 'recent' should be replaced with a date, storylines should be added (I never saw the show, seemed to be pretty badly done and non-canonical, but I can help with the manga's), and in general, the article just needs cleanup. I'll do what I can, but it looks bad from my standpoint. T.z0n3 12:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Serious Work done
Hello y'all. I'm going to be doing quite a bit of work on this article particularly within the plot area. I believe seperate pages should be created for the anime plot since it is so different from the manga. Thanks y'all and I hope you'll help me fix this little article. Sparkle confetti 01:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC) March 31 2007

Puchiguso-san?
Do they really call Hotaru's grunty "Puchiguso-san" in the official translation? That would be a clear mistranslation, as putiguso (petit something, maybe?) is what grunties in general are called in Japanese... It's not a given name for the grunty. --130.232.131.47 14:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not particularly sure if this is a mistranslation or not. On all the fansubs I have seen, it was listed as Puchiguso, but I've only seen the anime junkies fansub and as far as I know, it's the only one out there.  I'll try to look someone up who knows japanese well to find out for sure.Sparkle confetti 14:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I feel rather silly. Ignore the top bit!  I do think that's the name for the grunty.  In the english translation of the manga, it is called "Mr.Grunty".Sparkle confetti 00:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd advise against trusting fansubs too much in these matters. Mr. Grunty is a correct translation for "putigusosan", but whether or not it is a proper name could be argued (consider calling a dog "Mr. Dog", for instance). The article leads to believe that the grunty in question is called "Puchiguso-san" only in the anime, but this seemed dubious to me, because Mr. Grunty would have been the correct form. I wanted to know whether or not this was in the official translation (which would have made it canon, I guess) or in some fansub (which could be written as a translation error and therefore ignored). In the original manga, I recall Hotaru usually referring to her pet simply as "putiguso" (without the -san honorific). --Bakuryuu 22:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I do recall Hotaru occasionally referring to her Grunty as "Mr. Grunty" in the manga, but most of the time he was just her Grunty (see the last volume for examples). The manga was translated by TOKYOPOP, but whether or not that can be considered "correct" is up for debate.  I'm not sure what they call the grunty in the english dub of the anime, but I'll try to look that one up.  I do have a quick question though.  How is the anime considered canon to the manga?  The two share very different plot lines and many things were added and subtracted that completly changed things in the anime.  For instance, in the anime, Reki double crosses Balmung.  In the manga, Reki does no such thing.  I think we should rely a little bit more on the manga translation instead of the anime.


 * I think Tokyopop wasn't exactly known for the quality of its translations in the past, but I guess it's still an "official" translation and therefore defines the names to be used in Wikipedia, apart from gross errors (such as the Ôka/Orca thing). I only have the original Japanese manga. If you could refer me to an exact page where she calls the grunty "Mr. Grunty" in the translation, I could check how it is in the original, just for the fun of comparison. --Bakuryuu 05:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * In the Tokyopop translation, Hotaru refers to the grunty as "Mr. Grunty" on page 101 of Volume 3. She does it again a few pages later when the grunty transforms.Sparkle confetti 18:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's indeed "プチグソサン" in both instances, so it's all well and good there. However, there are several instances of simple putiguso, too. Hardly enough to label "Mr. Grunty" as the grunty's name, rather it's just Hotaru's way of speaking. --Bakuryuu 08:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Why don't we just edit out the grunty's name altogether? Honestly, I think she refers to it as just her Grunty more than she actually says "Mr. Grunty".  The name of the Grunty isn't that important.  It should just be known that it's there.  Sparkle confetti 21:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. --Bakuryuu 21:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Manga Plot Added
Hey everybody! I added in a plot for the manga, but I know it needs some help ironing things out. Can anyone read it over and do some edits/suggestions? That would really help. I kinda have a hard time figuring out if it's good or not. I think it is a little too long though. I hope to have the anime plot up in a few days! Thanks everyone!Sparkle confetti 00:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Some word choices could be reworked and I think the whole thing should probably be a bit more thorough; you spent three lines describing the first book. --COalex 01:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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