Talk:10050 Cielo Drive

Pronunciation of Cielo
What is the usual LA/local pronunciation of Cielo? (In Italian it means sky and is pronounced Che-Loh). Format (talk) 07:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

See-ELLE-oh. It means sky in Spanish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.115.252 (talk) 06:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Dead link
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 * http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/nineinchnails/articles/story/5920817/trent_reznor
 * In 10050 Cielo Drive, Benedict Canyon, Los Angeles on 2011-05-23 01:57:26, 404 Not Found
 * In 10050 Cielo Drive, Benedict Canyon, Los Angeles on 2011-05-31 21:14:33, 404 Not Found

--JeffGBot (talk) 21:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Twin survivor?
It would be informative to know whether the original "twin" house at 10048 still exists. 141.158.64.161 (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

10050 Cielo Drive (Los Angeles) → 10050 Cielo Drive – Unnecessary parenthetical disambiguation. The target name is already a redirect to the article and it is unlikely that anyone would be looking for Wikipedia articles about 10050 Cielo Drive locations in other places. BarrelProof (talk) 22:15, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose – the article seems to be more about the house than the address. Can't a more suitable title be found?  Dicklyon (talk) 03:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support move for WP:CONCISENESS, because there doesn't seem to be any other 10050 Cielo Drive. Unfortunately, the article has to be about the address, because the notable mansion that used to be there is no longer, even though "Manson family murders mansion" would be a splashier title if the original mansion was still standing.   - WPGA2345 -     ☛   21:49, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Where is the guideline that says we can't title an article for its topic if the topic has been physically destroyed? Manson family murders mansion seems a lot more sensible than giving its address. Dicklyon (talk) 00:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd be open to something like Site of the Polanski-Tate murders. That seems a bit less sensationalistic than Manson family murders mansion. But the simple address still seems adequate to me. After all, there were other things that happened there besides the murders. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:29, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Or Tate murder site would be OK, too; Polanski wasn't murdered. It's OK to mention other things that happened at the site, of course, but the notability that makes worth an article is from it being a murder site, not for having a certain address.  Or maybe I should make an article 2617 Mesilla Hills Dr..  Dicklyon (talk) 04:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh – please accept apologies and forgive my ignorance. Yes, it shouldn't be "Polanski-Tate murders" if Polanski wasn't murdered. No argument on what makes it sufficiently noteworthy for Wikipedia. —BarrelProof (talk) 05:03, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support . --B2C 23:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

What still exists?
There is a definite error about what still exists. The telephone pole is not the original and is not even in the same location. I believe it's even on the opposite of the driveway. Reportedly a small amount of the original structure did remain in order get around some permit requirements. By keeping some of the old structure, it was classified as a renovation or addition rather than new construction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.24.6 (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

This needs a photo
There have to be some photos of the house that are in the public domain. Has anyone come across any? --RThompson82 (talk) 06:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hauntings
various reports of the new house that was built on the plot of land now being haunted

http://www.laweekly.com/news/the-ghosts-of-the-manson-murders-next-door-to-where-sharon-tate-was-killed-4860160

http://www.paranormal-encounters.com/wp/the-spirits-of-cielo-drive/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.149.119 (talk) 20:30, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Did Altobelli sell or demolish?
Did Rudolph Altobelli sell the house in 1989 or demolish it in 1994? Or did he sell the house in 1989 and a subsequent owner demolished it in 1994? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.83.213 (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Odd grammar/construction
The article claims that following his arrest William Garretson was "cleared of all charges." Since he was never charged with anything and at that time no one else had been either, this construction makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:787c:4100:c85c:aa3b:8de0:900 (talk) 03:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Verification of Robert Byrd as designer of the 10050 Cielo Drive home
This page claims Robert Byrd designed the home at 10050 Cielo Drive. Robert Byrd was not a licensed architect. He was a home or building designer. Official building records with the city of Los Angeles lists Arthur W. Hawes (1873-1951) as the architect of this home. What is the original source that claims Robert Byrd designed this home? In Michéle Morgan's autobiography, she talks about having the home built for her in 1941, but does not mention a designer by name. A source from the time the home was built, claiming Byrd designed it, would be helpful. Writingdisorder (talk) 17:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I see that it was indeed Arthur W. Hawes - state license #B1265 that was the architect - weird how people just add things. I'll make the correction.Sgerbic (talk) 00:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson
The heading would assume that the section would have something to do with Marilyn Manson, yet he is not mentioned in the section at all. Did the author of the section mean Charles Manson? 98.97.6.203 (talk) 01:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)