Talk:10 (Southern Cross Austereo)

STV8 ownership
Can anyone confirm the bit about STV8? I suspect the ownership bit is incorrect. matturn 13:08, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's all true. STV-8 Mildura was once part of the Eight and Ten Network/Eight Network that utimately became Southern Cross Ten. It was sold to ENT, and joined BTV-6 and GMV-6 as part of VIC TV. BigDan 12:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Me dissenting again... is the WA story true? There was some similar but incorrect stuff in the Imparja entry recently. matturn 12:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

News
Why do we in Victoria have to put up with Sydneycentric news on weekends and public holidays? You have lost me.
 * Due to AFL Broadcast Timing, there is no local bulletin ready (The Half Time Bulletin in Melbourne is produced too late for SC 10 to Air in the proper time) at time of broadcast, thus they take the Sydney-Centric one. - Boochan 18:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Griffith
Regarding the lack of Southern Cross Ten in Griffith, it has nothing to do with Southern Cross Ten. It has everything to do with the federal Government's ACMA. If ACMA issued another commercial TV licence for the Griffith/MIA area, it would almost certainly result in a full-time Ten service becoming available there. Lobby Canberra, not Southern Cross Broadcasting. matturn 12:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually this is inncorrect because the Griffith council requested that the Wagga broadcasting licence be extended, and they were advised that this was a viable option, however SCT declined due to it not being perceived as financially viable. Mrguru1211 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrguru1211 (talk • contribs) 08:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Changes
Over the last 24 hours or so all the non-network related history has been split off into stations' relevant articles - this makes it a bit easier to follow the history of the actual network itself.

I've also made a few changes to the Availability section - just altering the wording of the first paragraph to make it a little clearer and moving the second over to an unordered list (it's more appropriate and it reads slightly better).

What I plan to do now is try and expand the history section again and find some references for it. timgraham 10:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Good work TimG! the article looks good :). I have removed BCV, as this station call-sign does no longer exist; upon aggregation BCV became GLV. The history section however, needs to be greatly expanded, as at current the article is only 10kb long. Stickeylabel 10:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The history section contains all the detail I could find at the time, I'll keep digging later..BCV is actually still in use as well (a search at lists 24 instances). timgraham 10:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Your right about BCV :P . I have therefore moved GLV (TV station) to GLV/BCV, where an article about both of the similar stations can be discussed. Stickeylabel 10:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Article name upon affiliation switch
It was announced on 29 April 2016 that Southern Cross will switch its primary affiliation from Network Ten to the Nine Network (note that this does not affect remote Seven affiliate Southern Cross Television). Despite the fact that Southern Cross will not create unique branding once they switch affiliation, I believe that the article should still be renamed Southern Cross Nine (SC9) on 1 July 2016 as this article is still separate from Southern Cross TV and SC9 is the best name to be used in this scenario (unless a different business name is created to refer to the network). Thoughts? – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 05:19, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Australian Wikipedians' notice board
You are invited to join the discussion at Australian Wikipedians' notice board. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 11:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 5 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved per nom, as unopposed. Having come to close this RM, I opened a few web links, and their branding left me in a dazed & confused state, and the article contents did not help clearing it. Since seems to have a grasp about that (I don't want to know), I'm performing this move solely on AGF, and trust them that they will edit the article accordingly, and, if possible, clear up how switching of the branding came about. No such user (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Southern Cross Nine → Southern Cross Ten – SCA itself actually don't call its Nine-affiliated stations "Southern Cross Nine" at all. Also, the remaining Ten affiliate in Northern NSW have dropped "Southern Cross Ten" name in favour of generic Ten branding. A page from SCA tells it. So, this article should be moved back to Southern Cross Ten, and the lead should be rewritten like below:

"Southern Cross Ten is a name previously used by an Australian network of regional television stations owned by Southern Cross Austereo that affiliated to the metropolitan Network Ten. Since 1 July 2016, the stations that have switched affiliation to Nine Network, as well as the remaining Ten affiliates, all follow generic metropolitan network branding, thus leaving the stations without unique network branding. The network of SCA television stations not affiliated to Seven Network is broadcast in Queensland, New South Wales, the Australian Capital Territory, Victoria and South Australia. On 5 November 2007, the network was officially purchased by the Macquarie Media Group."

By the way, how these stations actually brand themselves since 1 July 2016?
 * Mount Gambier and Riverland, SA (WIN mono.): SES/RTS (Seven), SDS/RDS (Nine), MGS/LRS (Ten)
 * Spencer Gulf, SA and Broken Hill, NSW (SC mono.): GDS/BDN (Nine), SGS/SCN (Ten)
 * Griffith and MIA, NSW (WIN mono.): MTN (Seven), MDN (Nine), AMN (Ten) (Edit 15:47, 7 July 2016 (UTC)) --Relisting.   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   11:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

G'day. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 10:36, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


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Concerning page move to "Southern Cross Ten"
This page was reverted to Southern Cross Nine over the poorly constructed case for moving it back to "Southern Cross Ten". Upon the 2016 media shakeup, all Southern Cross stations that were affiliated to Network Ten (except for Northern NSW and South Australia) changed affiliation to the Nine Network and took on generic Nine branding. Consequently, the page was moved to "Southern Cross Nine" to reflect this change despite the fact that the stations are not identified as such; this name was selected as it is only relevant name to be assigned as the bulk of the stations are now affiliated with the Nine Network. The Southern Cross Ten brand has ceased to exist, as has been noted in the article, however, keeping the article as "Southern Cross Ten" does not permit for further updates to the stations now affiliated with the Nine Network.

The stations remain operated by an affiliate as a regional network, only if a company merge between regional and metropolitan networks occurs should such regional network articles cease to be relevant. Until such a time, they remain equivalent to their metropolitan counterparts and thus need their own separate and relevant articles. Further discussion can be made below. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 12:55, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Use of Nine Network logo in the infobox
To clear up any potential confusion among editors as to why the Nine Network logo is not permitted for use in this article, let me present my case here so that any future editors can see this and understand the situation.

Back in February 2016, I was notified about the use of the logo of Network Ten in the articles Network Ten, Ten Network Holdings and articles of Ten's metropolitan stations. Such usage failed Wikipedia's guidelines of unacceptable use of non-free content, specifically §17: "The logo of an entity used for identification of one of its child entities, when the child entity lacks their own branding. Specific child entity logos remain acceptable." This means that the article of a child entity or subsidiary cannot use the logo of its parent organisation if it does not have its own logo. Even though Southern Cross and the Nine Network are not the same company, this restriction still applies (recognising SC as the "child entity" and Nine Network as the "parent entity") and consequently, the Nine Network logo cannot be used in this article.

The complete original discussion concerning the Network Ten logo can be found  for further clarification.

Hopefully this clears up any confusion, if there are still any questions, please post them here. Regards. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 09:39, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 12 June 2018

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 * 1st request: moved to the proposer's later suggested title, Nine (Southern Cross Austereo). See source evidence for this move as COMMONNAME rather than the title proposed initially.
 * 2nd request: not moved. Opposition argument is strong so, since the name is expected to change in July, there is no prejudice to revisit this request when reliable secondary sources support the new title as the COMMONNAME. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  00:02, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

– On 1 July 2018, the Seven Network-affiliated television stations owned by Southern Cross Austereo (Tasmania, Spencer Gulf/Broken Hill, Central, Darwin) will lose their "Southern Cross" branding to adopt network branding as "Seven". When their main Ten Network-affiliated stations changed to Nine Network affiliation, the "Southern Cross Ten" article was renamed to "Southern Cross Nine" as at the time there was no better name for the article given that what little "Southern Cross" branding left was dropped in place of full network branding. With the Seven stations approaching this move, I think now is the time to discuss moving both articles to more appropriate names.
 * Southern Cross Nine → Nine Regional
 * Southern Cross Television → Seven Regional (Southern Cross Austereo)

For the Nine affiliate stations, I propose Nine Regional, similar to the official department of Nine News Regional for network-produced local news bulletins on the affiliate stations. I don't believe that there should be disambiguation in the title as Southern Cross is the primary Nine affiliate in Australia (the only others are single, unconnected stations in smaller markets). The naming also follows the convention for individual stations, which are colloquially referred to as "Nine [location name]" for both network-owned and affiliate stations (i.e. Nine Victoria), but applies it for the affiliate stations as a whole.

For the Seven affiliate stations and following the above proposal, I propose Seven Regional (Southern Cross Austereo). In addition to the notes above, I believe that there should be disambiguation for the Seven affiliate stations as Southern Cross is not the only Seven affiliate, Prime Media Group (owners of Prime7 and GWN7) is the main Seven affiliate in QLD/NSW/VIC/WA. The disambiguation will aim to avoid confusion between Southern Cross' Seven Regional stations and Prime Media's Seven Regional stations. Note: the name change for the Seven affiliate station will only come into effect on 1 July 2018 when the branding officially changes. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 02:02, 12 June 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose doing anything at this time per WP:OFFICIAL, WP:COMMONNAME, and especially WP:CRYSTAL. According to the article titling policy, Wikipedia does not help establish new titles before changes take place. Even after the changes do take place, it will likely take a while for coverage in reliable, secondary sources to show enough support to warrant changing the titles of these articles. Dekimasu よ! 01:06, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This move discussion is primarily focused on the Nine affiliate network, which was so named back in July 2016 when they started broadcasting Nine Network content. This element does not break WP:CRYSTAL as this network of stations has been established for near two years, nor does it break WP:COMMONNAME as the Nine affiliate stations are typically referred to on-screen as "Nine" or also in print as "Nine Regional". If discussion on renaming the Seven stations is breaking these policies, it can surely be removed from this discussion. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 07:11, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as Southern Cross Nine is concerned, Nine Regional may be appropriate if there is evidence that it is the common name in reliable secondary sources, but please present that evidence. Dekimasu よ! 00:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The majority of sources cite the name simply as "Nine" for consistent branding with their network affiliate. Such sources include the regional affiliate coverage map, the SCA online television guide, the original affiliation website (now defunct, viewed on the Wayback Machine). Individual stations are also referred to as "Nine [location]" (i.e. "Nine Adelaide") primarily in electronic program guides on television sets but also in-speech. Including these, and the name of the Nine News Regional department, was the origin of the proposed name Nine Regional as there is no cohesive name to fully separate the network from its affiliate-owned stations. Another candidate could be Nine (Southern Cross Austereo), but that lessens natural disambiguation. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 03:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Parenthetical disambiguation seems preferable in this case, if Nine Regional is not very common. Dekimasu よ! 03:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)


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The network logo isn’t SCA’s own
It’s Network 10’s logo Bassie f (talk) 06:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

"Southern Cross Nine" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Ten Capital News" listed at Redirects for discussion
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