Talk:1118 papal election

Ungrammatical gibberish
Footnotes 4 and 7 are incomprehensible. The style of the entire article is in need of an overhaul. --Vicedomino (talk) 06:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Vicedomino, yeah, those footnotes are pretty bad. How do you think we should handle it? I agree that the article needs copyediting. Nowearskirts (talk) 06:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know where to start. I could come back and copyedit the page for you. Nowearskirts (talk) 07:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've made a start. The footnotes are an absolute mess. India.OHC (talk) 08:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I have fixed most of the worst problems. The paragraph discussing the number of cardinals alive at the death of Paschal II, versus the number of cardinals who actually attended the election, is in need of considerable rewriting. It confuses more than it clarifies, even for an expert who understands the problems. I have tinkered a bit, but much more work is needed.  --Vicedomino (talk) 03:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Pandulphus' list of attendees
In crastinum vero, secundum quod condixerant, honorabilis pater praenominatus dominus [Petrus] Portuensis, Cencius Sabinus, Vitalis Albanensis, Lambertus ostiensis, Episcopi Domnizo sancti Martini, Bonifacius sancti Marci, Desiderius sanctae Praxedis, Joannes de Cervia sancti Chrysogoni, Petrus Pisanus sanctae Susannae, Saxo de Anagnia sancti Stephani in Caelio monte, Amicus Sanctae Crucis, Sigizo sancti Sixti, Amicus sanctorum Nerei et Achillei, L. Sanctae Caeciliae, Deusdedit sancti Laurentii in Damaso, Anastasius sancti Clementis, Rainerius SS. Marcellini et Petri, Benedictus sancti Petri ad Vincula, Conradus sanctae Pudentianae, N. sanctorum Joannis et Pauli, Thebaldus sanctae Anastasiae, Gerardus sanctae Priscae, Guido sanctae Balbinae, Gregorius sancti Laurentii in Lucina, et sex alii Presbyteri Cardinales, nam Hugo de Alatro presbyter cardinalis, qui arcem Circaeam pro Paschali papa tenuerat, paulo post rediit; item Gregorius sancti Eustachii, qui et abbas sancti Andreae, Oderisius sacristanus sanctae Agathae, qui postea abbas Cassinensis effectus est, Rosimanus sancti Georgii, Henricus sancti Theodori, qui et Mazariensis decanus, Aldo sanctorum Sergii et Bacchi, Petrus Leonis sanctorum Cosmae et Damiani, Comes sanctae Mariae in Aquiro, Chrysogonus sancti Nicolai in carcere Tulliano, et Stephanus sanctae Luciae in Silice, Gregorius sancti Angeli aderant, et octo alii diaconi cardinales....



--Vicedomino (talk) 05:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Footnote (3)
The following occurs: ", but names were added by later cardinals or were appointed only by later popes (Ugo Lectifredo of S. Vitale, Romano S. Maria in Portico, Pietro S. Adriano), or their existence at the event is no reliable way documented (Giovanni S. Callisto, Pietro Vuilhelmus S. Sabina, Ducale of Ss. IV Coronati, Crisostomo of S. Ciriaco, Amico of Ss. Vito e Modesto)." It seems to say that cardinals added their names to Chacon, which is impossible. Who were appointed by later popes? The entire note is still very confused. None of this is documented, and it seems like original research.

--Vicedomino (talk) 16:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Chacon
Is the reference to Ciaconius' Vitae et res gestae pontificum to the first edition (1601), or to the second edition of 1677 (much corrected, but still filled with errors) by Augustinus Olduin? The work has four volumes; which is to be referenced?

--Vicedomino (talk) 16:23, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Introduction / Cardinal-electors
I added to the introduction to gave a broader summary of the article, but I think it could still to with a bit of tightening up. I also improved the organisation of the content of the cardinal-electors section, but the sense is still occasionally vague, and the confusing references do not help. Xcia0069 (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

"status" of cardinals, priests, and deacons...
The article currently has the following sentence: "However, the status[clarification needed] of the cardinals, priests, and deacons was unclear from the Pandulf account." What kind of "status" is being referred to? Why are there three categories, cardinals, priests, and deacons? Did the user intend to say "cardinal priests and cardinal deacons"? What exactly is "unclear"?

The sentence is clearly in need of a rewrite.

--Vicedomino (talk) 18:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)