Talk:12 (number)/Archive 1

The geometry of twelve
Twelve has no 'unique geometrical perfection', of course: many other polygons are constructible. This section, if we keep it at all, should be condensed and desensationalized. I'd suggest that we not keep it, since this property is really more relevant to 6: if we construct a circle C and another circle D of the same radius centered at a point on C, the arc of C delimited between D and the intersection point is a sixth of the circumference. 4pq1injbok 22:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

The Dallas Cowboys do not retire jersey numbers, so saying that Roger Staubach's number 12 was retired is incorrect.

Wine bottles
Don't wine bottles come in 4x3 boxes?


 * It depends. Could you name a specific vintner and a specific market where his wines are sold? Anton Mravcek 15:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Monthly occurrence
What is the word for an event that occurs twelve times per calendar year? "Duodecanually"? All searches have proved fruitless. Faucett 18:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Religious magic?

 * From the article: "Religion inherits the number twelve for its magical properties."
 * What does that actually mean? It's sounds confusing and POV. Is this a referenced comment?
 * VigilancePrime 07:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

pokemon
in the guidelines for WP:NUM, it says that pokemon numbers are not important enough to include in articles, yet butterfree's number is in here, so i am deleting it. Blah42b10 (talk) 16:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Juries
I don't think it's correct to say that juries in the U.S. typically have twelve members. I believe that it varies from state to state and from trial to trial. -- Dominus 22:54, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) Tom Brady is number 12 on the New England Patriots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.115.88 (talk) 00:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Here's more detailed information about this: for criminal felony trials, 46 states have 12-person juries, as do DC and federal courts. Arizona and Utah have 8-person juries, and Connecticut and Florida have 6-person juries. For misdemeanor trials, 31 states have 12 jurors, as do DC and the federal courts. 17 states have 6 jurors; Ohio has 8, and Virginia 7.

For civil trials, 28 states have 12 jurors. 4 states have 8 jurors. 17 states, DC, and federal courts have 6 jurors. Virginia has 7 again.

So although US juries often have 12 members, they often don't, and I don't think it's correct to say that 12 is typical.

-- Dominus 21:12, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Organization of number pages and number disambiguation pages
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 * Okay. Will do as time permits. I have placed an item at the top of the mathematics sub-section.  If misplaced or non-valid, I prefer the whole discussion be placed at 99 (number), but options are open.Julzes (talk) 17:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

revert/undo discussion location note
I am placing (have replaced) 9999 'curio' (ref. momentarily). The reverting attempt (?) begun at 99 (number) is the core issue, but see also century. (Note: My time is somewhat limited at least through the early part of May).Julzes (talk) 17:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Religious mythology
Where are 12 caliphates? No they not existed - it is similar to 12 apostels Where are 12 descendants of Ali? No they too not existed - it is similar to 12 apostels — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.95.182 (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Eurovision Song Contest
The term 'douze points' ('twelve points' in French) has become one of the best-known pan-European phrases due to its significance as the highest number of points one country can give another in the voting of the Eurovision Song Contest. In fact, the phrase is so noteworthy that in 2008, Ireland sent a novelty act where he repeats the phrase to try to incline people to vote Ireland (it didn't work though...). Also, I'm not sure about other countries, but in the UK at least, douze points is occasionally used as a positive yet humorous response. Regardless of whether this custom is shared with other countries, in this context I reckon this would be important enough to add to the Music or Television section. Tadzzo (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Etymology
As with eleven, Online Etymology Dictionary is not an actually reliable source and our misinformation gets copied throughout the internet. We should be more careful, particularly with pages like these that will be used very broadly and by people with minimal English or sophistication with regard to sourcing. (E.g., this page's misinformation was just shared broadly on Reddit's ELI5 forum.) — Llywelyn II   12:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

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Renaming the number Twelve to Ten two
I don't see any mention of the idea, to rename the word twelve into ten two. For example twenty one, does not have it's own name but rather is named after it's ten place followed by the one's place.

To further illustrate how it should follow. Thirty one, thirty two, thirty three, thirty four... Twenty one, Twenty two, Twenty three, Twenty four.. Ten one, Ten two, Ten three, ten four...

Why you ask? to keep the wording consistent and make counting for young children easier. Thus they can advance in mathematics quicker, adding into that the concept of compound interest in learning. Small changes in the beginning make a huge difference.

Naming ten two, as twelve actually makes it unnecessarily difficult for young children as it doesn't need to be. As adults we forget this as we've already passed through, the unnecessary difficulty.

Lowering the difficulty by renaming the number will help increase the number of kids that enjoy math.

The book "The Outliers: The Story of success" mentions how Asian countries such as China do this in their numbering system. And partly because of it, they are more successful in math (taken from the book)

--RichardFry (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * This is an encyclopedia, not the Academy of the English Language. There's absolutely no chance of this happening. Power~enwiki (talk) 19:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Living in a world of absolutes are we? Did you know you could also argue with certainty.  That no one in their right mind, would ever take their own free time, not get paid, and collaboratively create & edit an online encyclopedia?  Yet here we are, doing exactly that.  However I'm happy to see your quick response, and different point of view.  Thank you.--RichardFry (talk) 19:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Name
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What manner of cock-up created that, and can we fix it, please? Nuttyskin (talk) 07:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Nuttyskin (talk) 07:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Gap9551 (talk) 16:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Word or Number?
This sentence does not co-ordinate well:

"The word "twelve" is the largest number with a single-syllable name in English." "twelve" or "twelve" is not a number, it is a weird use mention error coupled with a category error.

It should say something like "The word "twelve" used in English to refer to the number is the largest single-syllable name in English." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.192.180.10 (talk) 17:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Bingo names -
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numbers for a centralized discusion as to whether Bingo names should be included in thiese articles. Arthur Rubin (alternate) (talk) 23:33, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

12 is recurring theme in Bible - roots in Nature
I added... The number 12 is a recurring theme in the Bible: 12 sons/princes of Ishmael, 12 sons of Jacob/Israel become Twelve Tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, 12 Gates of New Jerusalem. Like all sacred numbers, 12 has its roots in Nature: 12 lunar months in a lunar year adjusted to 12 months of solar year Roman calendar, 12 zodiac signs of solar year. 73.85.205.109 (talk) 14:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

twelvefold
Shouldn't the term twelvefold also be mentioned? --Backinstadiums (talk) 13:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

the number of greatest magnitude
Can somebody please elaborate a bit that sentence adding some examples? --Backinstadiums (talk) 14:52, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

In the lead...
This ends with "...frequently appears in the world's major religions". Obviously true, I imagine, but surely it also appears in dozens  of other aspects of human culture? Should this be more general? Imaginatorium (talk) 15:16, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Flagship Number Article
This article on the number 12 has been chosen to be the flagship article of WikiProject Numbers. This selection was in response to the coordinator of WikiProjects that each WikiProject team choose an article to be most representative of their project. PrimeFan 18:36, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What mean the number 12 as a date
What 178.59.173.240 (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Errant removal of superfactorial
A year ago this edit removed the (correct) statement that 12 is the product of the first three factorials, which included a link to superfactorial, on spurious grounds. I note this in case someone else feels it is due some mention in the article. JBL (talk) 21:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've reinstated the statement, as it's an early member of a "nice" and "easy" sequence. Certes (talk) 21:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Sequence of numbers
What is the next sequence number12 13 14 17 48 46.153.203.95 (talk) 16:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * 85. These are the last 2 digits on my last 6 supermarket receipts. How did you know? Dhrm77 (talk) 11:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ! Radlrb (talk) 20:50, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * More seriously, there is an infinite number of solutions to this problem. One possible (and relatively simple) solution is 157, which the result of the function f(n) = n^4 - 17n^3/3 + 10n^2 - 13n/3 + 12 for n=5. Dhrm77 (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)