Talk:12 Monkeys (TV series)/Archive 1

Weirdness
Episode 2 airs the 23rd yet http://www.hulu.com/watch/736483#i0,p0,d0 claims it recently aired and one can watch it now if you verify your tv provider. Should a trivia be added that allegedly one can watch this show and travel through time doing so? "Don’t want to wait for episode 2? Watch it Now! To stop the virus, Cole and Cassandra must track the Army of the 12 Monkeys – and one mental patient may hold the key. " I see this and just wonder what other kind of tech Hulu has.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.127.80 (talk) 16:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Leland Goins? Or Leland Frost.
Not sure how to word it, but the first episode, where it says " recruit James Cole to go back in time and kill a man named Leland Goines to prevent the creation of the plague" shouldn't it say " recruit James Cole to go back in time and kill a man named Leland Frost to prevent the creation of the plague"? That's who they sent him back to kill. And there should be some explanation of how Cole and Railly "figure out" they really meant Leland Goines.

I'm still not convinced they got that right. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point, Leland Frost turns out to be another person, somehow involved with "the army of the 12 monkeys." — Preceding unsigned comment added by CommonCentsUSA (talk • contribs) 21:26, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Main and Recurring Cast
Where did the information that who is the in main cast and who is recurring come from? Per Syfy, only 4 actors are in the main cast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.107.141.18 (talk) 08:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Main cast is who is credited at the start of the episode(s), recurring is the rest. AlexTheWhovian (talk) 13:20, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I just looked at the credits at the start of the most recent episode and Only Aaron Stanford, Amanda Schull, Noah Bean and Kirk Acevedo credited as "starring". --Babar Suhail (talk) 12:06, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The two key terms seem to be "Starring" and "Guest Starring." After stars and guest stars come co-stars. I don't know what kind of maneuvering goes on to acquire labels. Barbara Sukowa seems, to me, to be more of a star than Kirk Acevedo. We just get to observe... and document.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  16:48, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * An IP editor removed Xander Berkeley as Jonathan Foster (seasons 1–2), leader of Spearhead. He's in episodes in both seasons, notable in the plot summaries.  So what is that, recurring guest star?  How should he be listed, if at all? Reidgreg (talk) 16:15, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

I thought the series had finished after episode 7
With the virus incinerated and contained there was no cliffhanger at the end and it could have finished then and there. But I understand that there are 13 episodes in the first series and unless its cancelled (it will be) they are writing more series. The story cannot support many more episodes without getting repetitive (pun intended). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.167.3 (talk) 23:09, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Dude, there's no pun there.  Thatguyflint  undefined 01:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I fail to see the point you're making. 13 episodes have been ordered for the series; whether you believe that the story ended after the seventh episode doesn't make an point. You can't possibly know what else they're to do with the series. AlexTheWhovian (talk) 00:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, you failed to see the point. The point was that at the end of episode 7 the series seemed to run out of gas. In fact, the ensuing melodrama of the next few episodes supported that interpretation. Things go pretty flat until episode 10 gets the ball rolling again. I suspect that they felt obligated to give some extra depth to the characters of all the actors with star billing, even at peril of bogging down the show. It would be fascinating to hear from someone who was on the set through the entire shoot describe the authorial and directorial dynamics that resulted in the show we are seeing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.115.31 (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * This is all your personal opinion. Which is rather useless on a Wikipedia article. [[User:AlexTheWhovian|Alex ]]&#124; The &#124; Whovian 23:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Touche Alex  Thatguyflint   undefined 01:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Sentences moved here as WP:OR
The following content was unsourced, and misplaced as extended content in the "See also" bulleted section. Because it lacks sources, and is inappropriate in that place, it is moved here. It is also, absent sources, a violation of WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH. (It is an editor's interpretation, analyzing the Tiptree story's plot and themes, thus connecting it to 12 Monkeys.) Here is the moved text:"* James Tiptree, Jr.'s "The Last Flight of Dr. Ain" — a short science fiction story with similar plot elements, first published in 1969, about a scientist flying around the world with the aim of ending the Anthropocene Epoch by releasing a virus targeted to eliminate Homo sapiens, before humanity can destroy life on Earth via climate change."

This material would perhaps be best placed in the article in James Tiptree, Jr., if the analysis and interpretation can be sourced. Cheers. Le Prof 50.129.227.141 (talk) 04:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Bone weapon or sternum
I'd like to clarify the plot summaries regarding the bone weapon used by the Messengers on the Primaries in season 2. In current edits this is stated as "using a knife carved from his/her own bone". However, what I see in the episodes looks exactly like a human sternum or breastbone, sometimes described as being necktie or dagger-shaped. The notches where the ribs and clavicles connect are still clear and there does not appear to be any carving. As the Messengers were quite strong they shouldn't have difficulty thrusting the sternum into contact with the living sternum, which is close to the surface of the body at the middle-front of the chest, causing a paradox as the two bones from different times come into contact.

Though I feel it's visually clear that this is a breastbone, and consistent with what they're doing (they always attacked at that area), I don't believe it's ever stated on-screen. WP:OR says to only state things from primary sources which "can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge" so I'd like a second opinion on whether it'd be reasonable to state this is the breastbone or if such might be considered original research. Thanks. - Reidgreg (talk) 15:57, 27 August 2016 (UTC)