Talk:13 July 2024 al-Mawasi attack

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I'm gonna redirect this to 2024 targeted assassination of Muhammad Deif. Please join the move request at that article's talk page.VR (Please ping on reply) 17:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * do you have any objections? VR (Please ping on reply) 17:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Um, I would rather redirect the other way about, tbh. This is clearly the proper (not to mention better) article and the targeted assassination material, what there is of it, can just be included here. No? Selfstudier (talk) 17:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Selfstudier The rule is we keep the article that was created earlier. And we go through the RM process to rename the original article. Its frustrating, I know.VR (Please ping on reply) 17:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If they are about the same thing, these are not. It's a bit like Nuseirat, one is the rescue and the other is the attendant massacre. Selfstudier (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What is the difference between the airstrikes and the assassination (attempt)? Its the same explosion. Its merely a difference of how IDF frames the events, vs how Palestinians and others frame the event.VR (Please ping on reply) 18:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Uh huh, so two articles are possible a la Nuseirat but since the (alleged) targeting article is not much material, I would just as soon redirect that. Selfstudier (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In this case it is literally the exact same airstrikes, no? VR (Please ping on reply) 18:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's one way of looking at it but not the only way, there is literally zero reason (atm) to take what Israel claims as fact. Selfstudier (talk) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * BilledMammal just redirected here to there but I reverted it until there is consensus. Selfstudier (talk) 18:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that this is the only notable topic. The excuse that it was the 16th, 17th (...?) attempted assassination of a man that no-one has seen in years is barely even confirmed as anything more than a flimsy POV premise, let alone a notable topic. There are POV titles, and then there are those that are simply wholly mis-scoped and dysfunctional. The only notable topic is the atrocious attack on the most definitive of safe zones. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Iskandar323 I agree. So what do we do? First we recognize we have a content fork. Done. Then we merge the later into earlier. Then we follow the process in moving that POV title to an NPOV one.VR (Please ping on reply) 19:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If the other piece is terrible enough, which it is, because it doesn't even describe the event, this is not practical. Why would we merge a reasonably well-written event page into a shoddy page that only contains reactions? Iskandar323 (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There's also pretty much nothing actually to the other piece. It's a hollow shell with basically just a bunch of pretty worthless news cycle reactions. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 July 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

13 July 2024 Al-Mawasi airstrikes → 13 July 2024 al-Mawasi attack – For some reason this article was opened separately from this article: 2024 targeted assassination of Muhammad Deif. But since it has already been written, I recommend specifying the date of the attack to a specific day. Galamore (talk) 19:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * In the interest of saving community time, I have gone ahead and put "13" in the article. I think that should be uncontroversial. I suppose the discussion of "airstrikes" vs "attack" can continue below.VR (Please ping on reply) 19:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Seeing how many were killed, isn't 13 July 2024 al-Mawasi massacre a more fitting title? Huldra (talk) 20:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Support attack or massacre based on the wanton killing of civilians. Jebiguess (talk) 18:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 July 2024
is the top-right infobox of the page change the part where it says Part of the Israel–Hamas war and Rafah offensive to Part of the Israel–Hamas war and Rafah offensive and Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip as it is also part of that 173.72.3.91 (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There doesn't appear to be any mention of this event at the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip article to justify this change, so the only alternative would be if sources say so. Left guide (talk) 07:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 July 2024 - Casualties
Change "141 Palestinians were killed" to "90+ Palestinians were killed". Change "400 were injured" to "289 were injured". These changes affect the lead, the info-box and the "Aftermath and death toll" section The BBC source (3) used for those numbers isn't referencing the "13 July Al-Mawasi airstrikes" but rather Israeli airstrikes since Saturday, I.E. not only this strike but other strikes like the airstrike on al-Shati. When searching for the claimed casualties only for this airstrike, the numbers are 90+ killed and 289 injured. This BBC article reflects the number I'm using.
 * What I think should be changed :
 * Why it should be changed:
 * References supporting the possible change:

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 08:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


 * looks like someone fixed it? Rainsage (talk) 21:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done M.Bitton (talk) 20:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)