Talk:15 October 2011 global protests

Demostrations in 950 cities?
Hello! I checked the source to the information that said that there were demostrations in 950 cities, however the source does not say anything about it (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/12/occupy-london-stock-exchange-protests). Furthermore the source is from October 12th, while the day of the demostrators was October 15th. Someone has another source? Cheers! --Lilaroja (talk) 18:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello again! I found the right ref (it is (correct ref http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2011/oct/15/occupy-movement-occupy-wall-street)), but I do manage to add ref. Please could someone add it correctly? Thanks! --Lilaroja (talk) 19:07, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Recentism
Is this even legit? It's talking about it as though it's already happened, but the 15th is today... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.90.153 (talk • contribs) 2011-10-15T11:17:53‎


 * While recentism is a justifiable concern, this article is already well cited and acts as a summary for sections of the Occupy Wall Street article that would otherwise grow too large if left alone. While we might normally wait to see if this event requires its own article, the scope of what is happening gives us good indication to assume this will be an influential turning point in the Occupy protests in the coming days. Especially given the riot sparked in Rome. That should feed the media news machine for a few days, while the fallout could go on for weeks. --Cast (talk) 21:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

List of protests wordwide
We should list those cities organizing protests on 15 October 2011. Most are listed at List of "Occupy" protest locations. Pristino (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Article should be deleted
Most if not all the info in this article is already covered in other articles and the protests were already spreading worldwide from the Occupy movement in NYC before October 15th. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see the discussion here:
 * Talk:"Occupy" protests --Timeshifter (talk) 13:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Timeshifter - I note your comment, but I believe that the 15 October 2011 global protests article should be merged into the "Occupy" protests article. The content of the 15 October 2011 global protests article relates almost entirely to the "Occupy" protests article. Today is 16 October and there is very little content about protests that occurred on one specific date. (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=15_October_2011_global_protests&oldid=455801028). The date has little significance other than being the start of global protests, which are covered in the "Occupy" protests article. Gfcvoice (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Discussion at the talk link I left in my previous comment has been covering this issue in much more detail. See the talk sections before and after too. I suggest continuing there since that is where you want to merge this article into. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you (and editor Pencil) for your comments. I now have a better understanding of the Spanish background to the global protests. I agree that this discussion should continue on the talk page of the Occupy protests page. Gfcvoice (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I would suggest that we should have at least 4 overarching articles. there are also other global and regional protests that have there own pages, including October2011 Xacobi (talk) 18:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) October 15 that explains the separate organizing of the October 15 global protests
 * 2) Occupy, that explains the separate organizing of the Wall Street Occupy protests
 * 3) The Spanish Revolution which explains the separate organizing of those protests
 * 4) A unified article that explains how all the protest have merged and call it "Global Protests 2011"


 * There is this: 2011 Spanish protests. As to Global Revolution there is no notable organization with that name or focus. There are a bunch of very loosely organized groups that come together in different groupings from time to time. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

You are definitely right about that. Global Revolution is not the correct term. It turns out there is support to call the page "Global Protests 2011" which covers all the different aspects. Xacobi (talk) 03:56, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Oppose to merge - Agree to new article
 * As I have already said this world wide protest came from Real Democracy Now! and the Spanish indignantes, but it has been related and amplified by the Occupy movement. It cannot be merged because it's not the same, but a part of it. As well as a part of the Arab Spring or Iceland Kitchenware Revolution, Generaçao a Rasca which influenced on time the Spanish protests. If we merge this with Occupy pages it would be wrong and America-centric. It's unavoidable, that being true, that a page like "2011 Global protests" is needed to unite all the other articles 13:57, 17 October 2011 (GTM) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.147.78.229 (talk)

Oppose merge. There are separate articles for the various country organizations and country protests. Also for 'Occupy' protests. This page covers a notable event much better than it could be covered in little bits in separate articles. That is assuming people keep adding to this page, and watchlist it. Otherwise it will be vandalized and neglected, and go back to a stub. The table is an excellent addition to this page, and is what really makes it a unique article clearly showing the notability with many references. --Timeshifter (talk) 11:54, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * totally agree new article let's do one of all the protests (more than revolution) and oppose merge. --Jasandia (talk) 16:22, 17 October 2011 (GTM)

Oppose merge The date of the protests was set by the Indignados, and the protest itself was organized by various other groups as well, including Occupy Wall Street, Real Democracy Now and Anonymous, but most of the protesters didn't see themselves as part of any particular group or didn't even know of them. All most of them knew was a date. Many protests referred to different groups at the same time, and many protests didn't refer to any at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypernovic (talk • contribs) 08:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Title refers to 15 October specifically, but article says "ongoing"
The title of this article is 15 October 2011 global protests. However the article had several references to the protests as being "ongoing". Either the article title needs to be changed to remove the specific date (15 October 2011) from the title, or otherwise the word "ongoing" needs to be removed from the article. I made the bold decision to remove "ongoing" from the article. Gfcvoice (talk) 15:25, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes I would agree that this article should only be about the October 15 protests and there there should be a merged article that explains the ongoing global protests as I explain above. Xacobi (talk) 18:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Best, merge this into the occupy protests article. See Talk:"Occupy"_protests. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 20:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. After all, we still spoke about the 15M movement well after 15 May, and these protests are already referred to as the 15O movement. "15O protests" is inelegant as the title of an encyclopedia, yet the date 15 October is important in the title because it is when the protests started. Hypernovic (talk) 08:03, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

This should be kept as the October 15 page. but I have decided that the best way to move forward is to create an new umbrella article on the Broad Based Global Protests of 2011. Please see my proposal bellow and on the "Occupy" Protests discussion page.

Xacobi (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Main Portal Page
It's been suggested this article is added to "In the News" in the main portal page, but the administrators think the article is still too thin. Please contribute additional information to the article if you can. Are there any other sections we could add, such as arrests, reactions, etc? Hypernovic (talk) 08:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

See Also part deleting
Let's see... I had tried to interconnect different articles of 2011 protests, from Iceland Kitchenware Revolution (highly needed of an update), to the Arab Spring, the Israely protests and... the SPANISH INDIGNANTS. They are totally related. And if you consider that they are not... why must there be a link to the article of the Wisconsin protest (?) and the American Occupy ones and not to the Spanish movement that triggered the world wide 15th October protest (if you thing this started in Occupy Wall Street you are deeply wrong). I don't understand and if you are to delete my additions, please I require an explanation. 14:35, 17 October 2011 (GTM)


 * I agree. I added some more articles to the 'see also' section. The Spanish protests are linked in the introduction. --Timeshifter (talk) 11:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, the first comment was mine, I just forgot to log in. --Jasandia (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2011 (GTM)

background/origin of this world wide protest day
there should be something explaining it. AND i have already talked of the neccesity of a Global Protests unifying article. this was the origin of the convocatory http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/05/30/madrid/1306754358.html It came from Real Democracy Now!, 15 days after the Spanish Indignants movement came out. theirs was the iniciative, others such as occupy extended. I don't know if you can understand spanish, if not, please make me translate but this is the first source on the media you are gonna find. --Jasandia (talk) 16:26, 17 October 2011 (GTM)

Proposal to create new article for "2011 Global PRotests"
Here is my understanding of what is going on, and then I will propose how we organize it on Wikepedia

Simply stated, there are and were a lot of different simultaneous organizations that have organized local, regional, national, and international protests and movements.

Each of these deserves its own page and they all deserve a unified page as well. Here is an abbreviated list which is my proposal for the types and subjects of pages:

1) October 15 gets its own page that explains the separate organizing of the October 15 global protests 2) The Occupy protests, that explains the separate organizing of the Wall Street Occupy protests and how it expanded 3) The Spanish Revolution which explains the separate organizing of those protests ..... There are also other global and regional protests related to the broad based global protests that should also have there own pages, including October2011...This is also called Democracia Real Ya (Real Democracy Now!) in spanish, as well as United for Global Change. There is also Take the Streets, and 15M... some may have there own page in other languages, and some just wont get a page.

All of those articles would be unified under an article that explains how all the protest have become global and merged into one massive event and now there are now Broad Based Global Protests going on, that we won't fully understand for a while, but it is obvious that all of these protests and movements have and are merging as of October 15, as is clearly stated in all the media outlets. Xacobi (talk) 19:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Weather you call it Protets, Occupy, Uprising, Oct 15, Movement, Indigents or one of the many other names this movement has been given, it doesn't change the fact that there is definitely something much bigger going on.

I propose creating a new article with a simple title like Global Protests 2011, or Global Movement 2011 (eventually 2011-2012...) or it could be "Broad Based Global Protest"

This would explain the separate organization of each movement and protests and then explain how they are coming together to become a unified Global Protest.

The focus would be "very broad based and concern the economic crisis, perceived lack of democracy, unemployment and much else. " This would include the Spanish Protests, Occupy, October 15, Democracia Real Ya, and possibly, although it would be a stretch, to an alluded connection to the broad based protest that happened with the Arab Spring that obviously got other people in the rest of the world excited. I am in no way proposing or have any interest in creating a list of unrelated protests throughout the world that "happened" to occur in 2011. I want to create an Article about the Broad Based Global Protests of 2011. It will have a clear summary that explains the relationship between October 15, Occupy, the Spanish Protests etc..., A Short Historical Background. And it will have a world map that clearly shows where these "Broad Based Global PRotests" have taken place around the world and where they were just protests as one color, and where the protests escalated to rioting like in rome, and where they are ongoing occupations of public spaces with summaries and links for each individual country that has its own page. It is a very simple idea that I am proposing and makes complete sense with the information we already have.

I Vote for creating a new article from scratch called "Global Protests 2011", and it will take some time to get it up to speed, but I think it really is the only correct way to do this.

Xacobi (talk) 19:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

-End of Xacobi's comments and the proposal to be voted on---


 * You can start another article called 2011 global protests, but I doubt it would last long. It would probably be deleted because it is not a specific topic. An encyclopedia article has to be more specific than that. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * ooo I have a good idea for the name: "2011 Global Economic & Democracy Protests"  and then have 2011 Global Protests redirect  :)Xacobi (talk) 20:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you seen this: Template:Anti-government protests in the 21st century. There is so much going in 2011 that to try to summarize it one article would be almost impossible to do well. Especially since the focus of each of the various protest movements is oftentimes different from each other. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:12, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok Well maybe in a few weeks or months it will become more apparent and we could do it. I'm definitely willing to give it time to see if there is more of a merger. 63.243.169.190 (talk) 23:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Article name change
Knowledgekid87, please do not change article name to 2011 Global protests again. The table of events is specifically for October 15, as is nearly all the article. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

This and the Occupy
This article is not directly related to the Occupy movement as many other protests took place around the world not necessarily in support of the Occupy. Now, apparently all this protests are part of a worldwide response to the global crisis of which the occupy movement is a part of. In my opinion this article should focus on the events specific to the protests on October 15 and it should be a node of the hierarchy I proposed here. Thanks --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 18:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk: List of "Occupy" protest locations
I invite anyone to comment on the talk about the potential renaming of this article to List of Occupy movement and 15 October 2011 protests. List of "Occupy" protest locations is currently listed on this article as a see also under the "list of gatherings", which has added the locations of this protest along with Occupy. Depending on who you ask, some protests may or may not be Occupy-related or October 15 protest-related. As the nominator, I believe the rename will solve the issue of a split into two lists and debates of which protest belongs to which. — Moe ε  01:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Why not "2011 global protests" article? There is a "Protests of 1968" VOTE!
Agree to new article. There is a Protests of 1968. It's vague and you can hardly connect the Western and Eastern revolts and revolutions, but you know they were part of the same: 1960's spirit for freedom and change, dissatisfaction... It began just with the sentence "consisted of a worldwide series of protests". It just need that link. I think a 2011 article to sumirize Indignados (Outraged), Arab Spring, Occupy, Kitchenware Revolution is just as needed. They are different movements but there is one trend, something going on. It has a link: Global Financial Crisis and peoople disconfort demanding changes and more democracy. On fact, these movements has more conection than revolutions of 1968 in communist and non-communist states that didn't have a single cause triggering them Jasandia (talk) 12:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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