Talk:16bit (band)

16bit
please see book search results on "16bit" minus "16-bit". In ictu oculi (talk) 22:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 6 February 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved - WP:SNOW. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:48, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

– These are electronic music duos, not bands that use musical instruments. WP:BANDDAB and WP:PRECISION —  Za  wl  16:28, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 16bit (band) → 16bit (duo)
 * Air (band) → Air (duo)
 * Altar (Brazilian band) → Altar (duo)
 * Artful Dodger (UK band) → Artful Dodger (duo)
 * Atlantic Ocean (band) → Atlantic Ocean (duo)
 * Avenue D (band) → Avenue D (duo)
 * B12 (band) → B12 (duo)
 * Beast (Canadian band) → Beast (duo)
 * Big Bang (British band) → Big Bang (duo)
 * Blondes (band) → Blondes (duo)
 * Blood on the Dance Floor (band) → Blood on the Dance Floor (duo)
 * Cassius (band) → Cassius (duo)
 * Cirrus (band) → Cirrus (duo)
 * Curve (band) → Curve (duo)
 * Darkside (band) → Darkside (duo)
 * Digitalism (band) → Digitalism (duo)
 * Disclosure (band) → Disclosure (duo)
 * Empire of the Sun (band) → Empire of the Sun (duo)
 * Freemasons (band) → Freemasons (duo)
 * Frost (Norwegian band) → Frost (duo)
 * Hey, Rube! (band) → Hey, Rube! (duo)
 * Honne (band) → Honne (duo)
 * I Start Counting (band) → I Start Counting (duo)
 * JJ (Swedish band) → JJ (duo)
 * Justice (band) → Justice (duo)
 * Karanda (band) → Karanda (duo)
 * Knower (band) → Knower (duo)
 * Koop (band) → Koop (duo)
 * Lamb (band) → Lamb (duo)
 * Lemaitre (band) → Lemaitre (duo)
 * Madison Avenue (band) → Madison Avenue (duo)
 * Monaco (band) → Monaco (duo)
 * Monarchy (band) → Monarchy (duo)
 * Mono (UK band) → Mono (duo)
 * Moulin Rouge (band) → Moulin Rouge (duo)
 * Mt Eden (band) → Mt Eden (duo)
 * NaNa (band) → NaNa (duo)
 * Nomad (band) → Nomad (duo)
 * Onetwo (band) → Onetwo (duo)
 * Orbital (band) → Orbital (duo)
 * Paperwhite (band) → Paperwhite (duo)
 * Phantogram (band) → Phantogram (duo)
 * Pizzaman (band) → Pizzaman (duo)
 * Plaid (band) → Plaid (duo)
 * Presocratics (band) → Presocratics (duo)
 * Purity Ring (band) → Purity Ring (duo)
 * Rendezvous (band) → Rendezvous (duo)
 * Shaft (British electronica band) → Shaft (duo)
 * Shelter Point (band) → Shelter Point (duo)
 * Solar Twins (band) → Solar Twins (duo)
 * Studio (band) → Studio (duo)
 * Suicide (band) → Suicide (duo)
 * Sweet Exorcist (band) → Sweet Exorcist (duo)
 * The Ghost (Faroese band) → The Ghost (duo)
 * The System (band) → The System (duo)
 * Tipsy (band) → Tipsy (duo)
 * Tritonal (band) → Tritonal (duo)
 * Tuner (band) → Tuner (duo)
 * Uh Huh Her (band) → Uh Huh Her (duo)
 * Winder (band) → Winder (duo)
 * Yazoo (band) → Yazoo (duo)
 * I don't agree with your arguments for the changes. Several of the acts listed above play instruments (e.g. guitar) other than synthesisers - for example, Air, the System, Monaco, Empire of the Sun. And why are synthesisers/keyboard programming less "musical instruments" than guitars anyway? WP:PRECISION doesn't make the use of the word "band" any less precise than "duo" - in fact, you could argue that "band" is more precise because it implies a musical act, whereas "duo" could refer to any two people working together, e.g. a comedy duo. And WP:DABBAND says that either "band" or "duo" may be used, there is no preference. Richard3120 (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Support as to all entities for which it can be shown that the performers did not at any time play the core traditional instruments in a band (bass, guitar, horns, drums).  bd2412  T 17:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Why are electronic keyboards not musical instruments? Richard3120 (talk) 20:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * There are numerous kinds of bands - marching bands, old-timey jazz bands, modern rock bands. Electronic keyboards (particularly when used to play pre-programmed tracks) have historically played a marginal role in all of these relative to other kinds of instruments. bd2412  T 21:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose electronic musical instruments are musical instruments. This is not a neutral change. Chubbles (talk) 18:47, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose all these are bands. If they have two members or three, so what. And "duo" can mean anything, these would be (musical duo). We aren't adding any value to any user by classing some bands as duos. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: the more I think about it, the less sense it makes to lump all these acts together in the same requested move... they range from DJ producers, to synthpop acts, to out-and-out alternative rock bands who just happen to use synthesisers and drum machines in their work, and the only thing connecting these acts are that there are two people in the group. In which case, why not list all musical duos for the requested move, not just supposedly electronic acts? And what about a group like The Beloved (band), who used nothing but programmed keyboards and drum machines on their biggest hits, but who started out as a four-piece indie guitar group? Richard3120 (talk) 20:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose if we're using WP:PRECISION, then "Musical duo" should be the dab used. However, these need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis, and not as a big group nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:49, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose – duo is quite ambiguous. A duo of what, artist? The current titles are more precise than the current proposals.  CookieMonster755 ✉  16:04, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Watching Knower's most popular video is an entertaining way to find out why this nomination is wrong. --Sitacuisses (talk) 04:53, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose, re-request each move seperately. Firstly: "Duo" is ambiguous. "Band" refers to a coherent unit of multiple musicians, but "Duo" refers to any pair of people. "Musical Duo" might make sense if this move was to go through. Additionally, these need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis, not as one big bulk move, because they're a wide range of acts from many different contexts. Referring to, say Garfunkel and Oates as a "Musical Duo" would make sense because that's, like, their whole 'thing', but acts like Air are definitely a band - Hell, when I was a kid I thought Air had three or four members, for some reason. WP:PRECISION is cool and all, but this seems actually less precise in some cases and just misguided in others. Finally, because I'm using Air as an example, watch this and tell me they don't "use musical instruments". -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me &#124; contribs 07:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


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Requested move 28 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, per consensus here and also precedent set at Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band) &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

16bit (band) → 16bit (duo) – Not a band per WP:BANDDAB. The editor  whose username is Z0 17:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. bd2412  T 01:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is a duo of electronic musicians. They play electronic musical instruments. Chubbles (talk) 01:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." It does not deprecate the use of "(band)" in these cases. Dekimasu よ! 02:22, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose the guidance on WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." Maybe we should remove the (duo) option as it adds nothing In ictu oculi (talk) 07:59, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - a band makes it more imprecise because there could be 2 to an infinite number of members whereas duo shows there is only 2 members in the group. A band is defined as "a group of instrumentalists playing music of a specialized type". This music group is a duo of electronic musicians who are not instrumentalists (players of a musical instrument). In popular culture, a band is typically a group of 4-5 people who sing, play the guitar, drums, bass, etc. Calling a group of 2 musicians a band is simply inaccurate and improper although literally they could fit the scope.   please consider reconsidering. Not only (duo) makes it easier to categorize music groups consisting of 2 members, it also distinguishes electronic music groups from regular music groups. The editor  whose username is Z0  08:07, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) To this point, I think everyone has been fairly accepting of the fact that you filed 30 individual move requests instead of a multimove. However, please understand that it's annoying to get over 30 page notifications for the same comment–and then getting 30 edit conflicts after you edit the comment with the ping in it. If the issues at hand are the same, please pick one talk page and have the rest of the discussion there.
 * 2) There is nothing inaccurate or improper about calling a band with two members a band. Musical ensemble: "Examples of two-member bands are Japandroids, Local H, Pet Shop Boys, Hella, Flight of the Conchords, Death from Above 1979, Francis Xavier, I Set My Friends On Fire, Middle Class Rut, The Pity Party, Little Fish, The White Stripes, Big Business, Two Gallants, Lightning Bolt, The Ting Tings, The Black Box Revelation, Satyricon, The Black Keys, Tenacious D, Simon and Garfunkel, Hall & Oates, Johnossi, The Pack A.D., Air Supply and Royal Blood. When electronic sequencers became widely available in the 1980s, this made it easier for two-member bands to add in musical elements that the two band members were not able to perform. Sequencers allowed bands to pre-program some elements of their performance, such as an electronic drum part and a synth-bass line. Two-member pop music bands such as Soft Cell, Blancmange, Yazoo and Erasure used pre-programmed sequencers." In fact, this shows why it is easier to have two-person bands when electronic music is involved. As Chubbles stated, electronic music is music made using electronic musical instruments. It isn't necessary to require a band to be analog.
 * 3) The proposal referenced a particular naming convention, but the moves do not follow from that naming convention. Dekimasu よ! 08:28, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. Reply to Dekimasu: I'm not saying a two-member band is incorrect but it's just less preferred compared to duo. Musical ensemble says two-member rock and pop bands are relatively rare and they are mostly rock and pop groups not electronic music duos that are the subjects of these move discussions. Wikipedia's preference is usually the one most commonly used. Bands play musical instruments unlike electronic musicians who use digital audio workstation (DAW) to produce their music. DAW is not a musical instrument but a computer software. As for the naming convention, it did say to use either "(band)" or "(duo)" when the musical ensemble is a duet, as in duo for the duet and band for others. That precisely supports my argument so I'm not sure why you said "the moves do not follow from that naming convention". The editor  whose username is Z0 08:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment the discussion for the general issue of whether electronic duos are accurately described as bands seems to be coalescing at Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band). Chubbles (talk) 10:45, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion
See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music)/Disambiguation. Andrewa (talk) 02:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


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