Talk:17 October Revolution

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Requested move 11 November 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved - consensus against (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 06:51, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 Lebanese protests → 2019 Lebanese Revolt – (The mass protests in Lebanon have been taking place for over 26 days now and they call for the complete overruling of the ruling parliament. This qualifies it to be labelled as a revolt instead of a protest. This is the most agreeable title as some argue that labelling it as a revolution would be taking it a step too far.). Kaepora~enwiki (talk) 18:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose: "2019 Lebanese protests" is a more common name for the movement, rather than "2019 Lebanese revolt" (see Google search results under the news section: 1,1 million results for the current name as opposed to 15,000 for the proposed name). Also, see other similar movements such as the 2019 Hong Kong protests, 2019 Catalan protests and 2019 Chilean protests, for example. Nehme1499 (talk) 20:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose: "Revolt" has negative and also violent connotations to it, usually supported with armed uprisings - the term is also used to depict antagonist/leftists rather than protagonists. "Protest" is more accurate terminology as the current atmosphere is non-violent/peaceful in nature - the Lebanese are protesting against corruption. User:Wnabti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wnabti (talk • contribs) 23:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose this move 2601:541:4500:1760:8DA1:E6F:B78B:1BB9 (talk) 22:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Revolt" suggests a violent uprising. --Cerebellum (talk) 10:00, 15 November 2019 (UTC)--Cerebellum (talk) 10:00, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2019
Protests During the third week of the Lebanese protest:

November 7: to celebrate women and their strong presence in this historical revolution, Lebanese singer, Carole Samaha in collaboration with the Lebanese newspaper: “Al Nahar”, changed the lyrics of the Lebanese national anthem: “Our mountain and our valley, they bring forth stalwart women and men”. This small but meaningful change in the lyrics, highlights gender equality in a country where women does not have equal chances as men in the society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.90.120 (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌. This doesn't seem to document a protest as the other entries in the timeline do. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 22:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Request to add a full table with name and information of martyrs and incidents, a table of global solidarity events, and maybe a section on prominent arrests
This is my first edit to a talk page so I'm sorry if this isn't up to protocol.

While the article's topmost table mentions that 5 civilians have died, only one (understandably) has a subsection on its own. A simple table like this would be beneficial:

A table of protests in support would be nice, although it may be unnecessary. Now is the time to archive this info though before it fades into the internet.

EDIT: as for previous requests that highlight some notable events in the realm of gender equality during the protests, the achievements in this field may be worth a section as well.

As for the arrests I don't know how this would be done tastefully. I don't think it is fair to incriminate people that have not yet been ruled guilty or innocent, however there isn't always a reliable list of events such as notable arrests, whether generally considered lawful or not.

Ggtks (talk) 12:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌. It's not clear what you want to add exactly.  You mention a table in the article, but the article currently has no tables, nor is it clear exactly what information you want to include in the table. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 18:48, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Death Toll from Protests
The death toll lists 7 people who died directly from the protests, but do all the other indirect deaths also count towards it? Do suicides linked to the protests also count? Which deaths count towards the death toll? Joseph Ruoc (talk) 03:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I'd say no because the suicides aren't caused by the protest they're caused by the economic crisis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creemyice1 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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State of Protests
While protests are still frequent and ongoing they aren't being referred to by the media as part of the "17 October Revolution" protests. In any case, the same themes have been echoed throughout all those protests (accountability, anti-corruption, non-sectarianism, justice, etc.) so they could be considered to be in a similar vain to the original October protests.

Basically protests have been an almost daily occurrence since the 17 October 2019 but in the past ~2 years, the turnout has decreased dramatically. For example, in 2023:

- https://www.hrw.org/the-day-in-human-rights/2023/01/26

- https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-protest-anger-over-efforts-hamstring-blast-probe-2023-01-26/

- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/26/beirut-port-blast-judge-will-face-challenges-and-risks-lawyers

- https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanese-protest-record-low-value-local-currency-2023-01-25/

If the consensus is that the 17 Oct protests should be considered "inactive," it might be a struggle to determine an end date/year. RisingTzar (talk) 22:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)