Talk:183A Toll Road

183A's designation
Although 183A was originally developed as a TTA project (old documentation refers to it as US 183A), after the Texas Legislature authorized the creation of Regional Mobility Authorities, CTRMA was created and took over the project. Although TxDOT & FHWA are definitely involved in terms of oversight, the right of way is owned by the RMA and the road is operated as an RMA project. TxDOT does not consider this an "on-system" road. Think of it like a county-run or city-run or even as a privately run toll road. Deh 00:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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Article name
It seems to me that the legal name of this highway is just 183A Toll. Shouldn't the article be there instead? —Typhlosion (talk) 01:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * When the article was first created (as "State Highway 183A"), I knew that wasn't right (it's not part of TxDOT's system) and called CTRMA to ask how it was formally designated. I was told "183A Toll Road", so I moved the article there. In December there was a draft NEPA re-evaluation document released; it refers to the highway simply as "183A". I'm not sure what you mean by "legal name": as far as I know, there isn't a legal constraint on the name and CTRMA could call it "Cedar Park Bypass", etc. I don't have a strong opinion. Deh (talk) 03:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It just seems awkward to have the "toll road" part of the article name in all lowercase. I suppose if it doesn't really matter to the CTRMA, then the exact article name isn't important either. —Typhlosion (talk) 05:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the toll road portion should be in parenthesis, 183A (toll road)? For the most part whenever CTRMA refers to the road, they simply use "183A", but there are several instances of the use of "183A toll road" using lower case. --Holderca1talk 10:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no objection to that or even to just using 183A until ambiguity arises. Deh (talk) 15:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * CTRMA and CAMPO both refer to the road as just "183A." Even 45 Toll and 130 Toll are referred to by them as SH 45 and SH 130, making 183A somewhat of a peculiarity. I think Deh has the right idea. —Typhlosion (talk) 04:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * SH 45 and SH 130 are both TxDOT highways, 183A isn't, so we can't really compare them. As mentioned above, through contact with CTRMA, the official name is "183A toll road." --Holderca1talk 13:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Really now? Because looking through their website, the phrase "183A toll road" is most often preceded by the word "the," as though to distinguish it from other uses of the term "183A" (such as the non-tolled frontage roads from Whitestone Boulevard to the northern 183A/US 183 junction that are also part of the 183A project). More often, though, it's simply referred to as "183A." I'm not proposing "Texas State Highway 183A" as the article name. No, of course not. I just think that this article should be at 183A instead of 183A toll road since the official name seems to only be "183A."


 * Now, had they regularly referred to it as "183A Toll Road," I'd be pushing for that as the article name. But they don't. The only part that's consistent is 183A. —Typhlosion (talk) 04:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh? It's The Ohio State University, but the article title doesn't include it. Another user actually called them and was told that the official name included "toll road." Based on their website, I have always seen it lower case. Arguing for "183A" as the article name would be similar to arguing for "I-35" as the article name for Interstate 35. --Holderca1talk 14:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Undo the move
The recent move of this article to Texas State Highway 183A needs to be reverted. This highway is NOT a Texas State Highway. It's a privately funded and built highway, and is not in the same system as the Texas State Highway System. See the discussion above on previous naming issues. Plus the sign being used in the article is wrong. The sign is the blue on yellow background from CTRMA, and it probably copyrighted. 25or6to4 (talk) 19:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no interest in what the article is titled; I only got involved to correct a cut and paste move. –  T M F 19:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if the correct marker is copyright, it can still be used as fair-use. Just upload it with a valid Fair-Use Rationale listed for the article.  Imzadi  1979   →  19:55, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If it uses the state highway shield I'd call it State Highway Whatever. The shield is a shorthand for "State Highway X" and it doesn't really matter who maintains it (think of the state-numbered routes that are county- or city-maintained, such as in Vermont, for example). —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 20:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess I wouldn't be opposed to it moving to 183A Toll Road, but not back to 183A toll road. –Fredddie™ 20:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would agree with the capitalized version for the naming, similar to other toll roads in the state. The sign takes its design from the standard Texas Toll highway sign, except the background is yellow, instead of white, and has the CTRMA logo in the lower left instead of the Texas flag. There has been a logo uploaded a couple times, but have been deleted. My current alternative thought is to have a separate section on the currently-non-existant US 183 (Texas) page, since this is the "alternate routing" of this highway through Austin. As a heads up for the future, the toll lanes for US 290 in east Austin already have the toll 290 sign on the CTRMA web site map with the state highway signs, but there's already a State Highway 290 in Texas. 25or6to4 (talk) 20:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 25or6to4, it looks like the previous markers were deleted because they weren't tagged right. By all means, created and upload the correct marker (as a PNG)! See the marker on the top of Capitol Loop for how to tag it correctly as fair-use with a FUR. Once that's done completely, it won't get deleted again.  Imzadi  1979   →  20:44, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I got the marker undeleted, updated the FUR. Now once this article is moved to the 183A Toll Road name, it will be correct and the marker won't get deleted again.  Imzadi  1979   →  20:50, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

All done. :) Mitch 32(Growing up with Wikipedia: 1 edit at a time.) 20:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the discussion and help, everyone! 25or6to4 (talk) 21:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

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