Talk:18th Infantry Division (United Kingdom)

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Did a quick ce, blammed the odd typo, formatted a quote, rm dupe wikilinks added Woodburn Kirby to Biblio. Gleanings to follow.Keith-264 (talk) 12:03, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed some headers speculatively, rv as desired.Keith-264 (talk) 12:21, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Made a start on integrating Woodburn Kirby into the narrative.Keith-264 (talk) 13:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Mucho gracias, old bean! :) EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The inclusion of Woodburn Kirby has really cleared up the 53rd Brigades situation in Johore; the Aus OH was kinda confusing on the whole show.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Tally ho!Keith-264 (talk) 23:41, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * With that last edit, I have exhausted my sources. I will check out the IWM online collection in the next few days and see if they have anything that can be used to support the article. I have asked on WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request if anyone can provide some source info for the photo "File:Bosbritsurrendergroup.jpg" (purportedly shows members of the 4th or 5th Suffolk Regiment). It currently uses "PD-Japan-oldphoto", and is missing all sorts of information so I do not know if it could be used in an A or FA article.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Did more on 53rd Brigade but the narrative in the OH is pretty fractured so it might need another look to get everything in the right order. Keith-264 (talk) 11:57, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Keith, appreciate the routing.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Made some small amendments to the B of S section but it seems a little bit confused in its chronology compared to the Woodburn Kirby narrative, perhaps inevitably so given that the 18th Division was a small part of the whole. Thoughts? Keith-264 (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Very possible. It is the same with the Aus OH, the actions regarding the 18th are disjoined. In what ways are the chronology confused?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:13, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The division and the two forces from it did things at the same time so writing about them separately seems to have created a narrative which mixes three time lines. The Woodburn Kirby narrative is an overview and I think that the Oz OH is a peripheral one so they don't fit too well. I thought that If I went further I would have to rewrite the whole section and since it isn't my field it would not be easy to spot discrepancies (bearing in mind that the events were a lot more confused than later accounts portray because of witnesses being killed, records not written and records destroyed). Keith-264 (talk) 16:21, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I see your point about how that could cause (further) confusion. Would merging the various paragraphs together resolve this (at least in regards to the day it all took place)? If there any further areas of concern?
 * I have only really been able to work from the Aus OH for the fighting on the island. A re-write is not completely out of the picture, obviously. Likewise, I am limited in my knowledge of this area.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Back from a brief hiatus. Reflecting on your comments, perhaps the following rewording of the current info (apologies for possibly misplaced cites, and the odd incorrect date; not in front of my sources at the moment, but will go back over to ensure accuracy later on)?


 * I'm on a fork lift truck course at the mo' but I'll keep in touch. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No probs, and good luck with your FLT course :)EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Updated the text, copyedited, made sure the sources and dates are correct to the best of what I can make of the OH.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 14:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I start the final week of the course this Monday so if you can have think about what you need most from me that would be a great help for the week after. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 09:53, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Keith! I have copied and pasted the above into the article for the moment, and requested a peer review for second opinions on improvements before going through the formal review process.
 * Specifically, if you have any details about the fighting on Singapore Island, casualties the division suffered, and any analytical comments about the division's performance, that would really help round off the final two sections.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:25, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Right.Keith-264 (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Notes based off review:

 * "Seems curious that Churchill could not ship divisions to Middle East, but could ship them to Nova Scotia so that the Americans could ship them to the Middle East. Maybe explain a bit more?"

Request to future editors and their edits
To all future editors of this article, if any of you has access to Woodburn Kirby, it would be very much appreciated if you could look through it to see if there is any additional detail that can be added to the article i.e. the division's actions in Johore, on Singapore Island, and if it is in there casualty information.


 * Woodburn Kirby, Major-General S. (2004) [1957]. Butler, Sir James, ed. The War against Japan: The Loss of Singapore. History of the Second World War, United Kingdom Military Series. I (facs. repr. ed.). Uckfield: Naval & Military Press. ISBN 978-1-84574-060-3.

Nick-D made the following comment during the peer review, another area that could be improved if anyone has access to the sources he spoke about:

To any future editors who can address these areas, or provide any additional detail to the article, thank you.

Regards, EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:37, 20 December 2017 (UTC)