Talk:1917 Georgia Tech Golden Tornado football team

Heisman's "Jump Shift"
A few sources seem to call it a predecessor to the T formation and single wing, but I don't find any great source. Help is appreciated. Cake (talk) 16:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Week 2
All the sources I've read so far place the Wake Forest game on the same day as the Furman game, not the day after. Mackensen (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks already for some of the work. There does seem a discrepancy on this one. The Tech paper definitely says it was a doubleheader, but sports-reference say it was the day after. database football mimics the paper for that date, so I will include it as a source. Cake (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Lettermen
The 1918 Blue Print yearbrook lists 18 lettermen. The only discrepancy between that list and the list in this article is that the Blue Print does not include Pup Phillips. The cited source is hard on the eyes, but it doesn't seem to mention lettermen. It was also published on November 4, 1917, but the football banquet (again, per the year book) took place on December 8. Mackensen (talk) 21:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I see Pup there - "Phillips, G. M". However, I don't see Shaver, so I moved him. Dick Jemison at least should be fairly authoritative on the subject, for he was the big cheese on the Atlanta Constitution's sports page then. Cake (talk) 22:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * We must be looking in different places--on page 112 (football banquet) I see this: "The following men were awarded letters: Bell, Carpenter, Strupper, Ulrich, Dowling, Welchel, Higgins, Fincher, Guill, Hill, Harlan, Guyon, Shaver, Colcord, Mathes, Thweatt, Rogers and Johnson." There's also this: "Phillips, Strupper, Bell and Hill were given trophies to signify that they had won letters for three years." I'm not sure what to make of this. Mackensen (talk) 22:54, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Go to page 4 of 34 in pdf of the athletics section; I don't see a page number. "Wearers of the T." That has all the usual suspects. Perhaps his omission on 112 has something to do with Phillips leaving for the military. Cake (talk) 23:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I see it, and that makes perfect sense. Thanks! Mackensen (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Stats table
Is there a way to make it so when the table's header is colored (e. g. List of Florida Gators starting quarterbacks), the sorting arrows can still be seen? They seem to work if they were just visible. At this time GT was just gold and white, and it is difficult to read as is. Cake (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Strupper and signals
I tracked down the obituary and copied the language. However, I am still unsure whether it means to say "Strupper was deaf, and due to his deafness, he was acquainted with sign language, and so called the team's hand signals instead of the quarterback;" or "Strupper was deaf, and due to his deafness, he could not hear the quarterback's spoken signals, and so he spoke them instead." Both were used, and though Heisman's story in the article gives credence to the latter view (shifts also usually require speaking (the rhythm for the shift of the Notre Dame Box goes "1-2 let's go" for Charlie Bachman), and Heisman is even credited with the invention of saying "hike" or "hep" or "hut" to signal snapping the ball), I can also show you Heisman saying Strupper couldn't enunciate well enough to be a quarterback. Cake (talk) 12:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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