Talk:1953 British Columbia general election

Electoral history is public domain
Please see my comments on Talk:British Columbia general election, 1952, which is a related situation. These two are the lengthiest of the electoral-data footnotes, but the footnote material is provided for reasons of historical context and accuracy; it is not, to my knowledge, governed by or restricted under Crown Copyright.Skookum1 08:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC) '''The tables on both these pages were complex to build (in no small part because of the elimination ballot) and would take a LOT OF WORK to re-create. ''' If thine eye offend thee, smite it out: rather than deleting the electoral data, if the footnotes upset you that much as "possibly copyvios" then by all means feel free to rewrite them; their contents are a matter of public record in BC and important to the electoral history of the province. NOT explaining them seems to me to be worse.


 * Further to previous, please note the end of footnote 1 on the Elections BC page: "See British Columbia, Chief Electoral Officer. Alternative Voting: An Explanation of the Procedure..., Victoria, 1952." In other words, a government-circulated pamphlet meant to educate the public as to how to use the elimination ballot...is such a best public domain, or copyright-protected?  In any case, I've made a subpage with the un-copyvio disputed material to save the tables, and will do the same for 1953; it would have been simple enough to revise the questionable paragraph rather than install the delete-the-whole-thing template IMO.Skookum1 19:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, re the template, note that here refers to the 1952 election, NOT the 1953 election. In a court of law, this would be the submission of the wrong evidence and would result in a mistrial....Skookum1 19:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Obviously the problem is not the tables, which are not copyrightable, but the footnote which was copied and pasted. I don't think it's safe to simply assume that the text is not under Crown copyright simply because there isn't a copyright symbol at the bottom of the page. I'm not an expert in copyright laws, but as far as I know everything produced by a provincial or federal government in Canada is automatically under Crown copyright unless the copyright has expired or it is explicitly stated otherwise, and I think you would need explicit confirmation that it is indeed republishable for any purpose without permission. The electoral system that was used can very easily be explained without copy/pasting the footnote directly ; obviously, if it is rewritten in other language, there would no longer be any problem. (As for your comment about wrong evidence, it is irrelevant ; text was copied from a website, which is a violation regardless of where it was copied to.) dh ▪ 2¢ ▪ 01:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

As I said above somewhere, or on the other talkpage, I was "on the fly" when creating these pages because of the massive data inputting and table formatting involved, and was too brain-dead to try and reconfigure the language; because it was official material I thought also pehaps it was OK to quote it directly, as with a police blotter or report of a Crown Commission, which should be quoted intact...OK, with quote marks granted, and in this case I could have footnoted it into the table like the Premier-Elect etc. But hold off on the deletion until I fix the rewording. All BC election pages also need a lot of political-situation/issues and "notable races/candidates" sections fleshed out; especially these two...among many. I've just come back from a short block (undeserved and now revoked) and have a lot of catching up to do, so it may not be today that these changes get made...Skookum1 21:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Temp subpage created as per instructions
A while ago, before other things caught me up and I couldn't come back, I made a temp page with the non-infringement contents on it, as instructed by the template; it may not be necessary if this one isn't deleted, as what could be done here is either a rewrite of the disputed section, or it could be cited as a quotation from Elections BC records; note that the Elections BC footnotes themselves are often pastiches/infringements of coverage in local papers; all in the public domain by now I suppose....but originally copyrighted....anyway, a rewrite or a cited quote would solve the problem, here as well as at 1952, wouldn't it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

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