Talk:1960 Munich C-131 crash

Which category?
This article is listed under Category:German air disasters, which in turn is a subcategory of Category:Accidents and incidents on commercial airliners by country. However, the accident did not occur on a commercial airliner. Logically speaking, the Category:German air disasters is not a subcategory of Category:Accidents and incidents on commercial airliners by country. Andreas (T) 20:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Not in the business district, see discussion.
The streetcar was on Martin-Greif Street. This street is on the periphery of the downtown area. No shops are there, and this is not an area where shoppers would stroll. I know this very well because I used to live nearby, actually across the street of St. Paul's church whose steeple was hit by the plane. After the accident, the area was quickly filled with people who came to see the disaster out of curiosity, obstructing the passage for the emergency vehicles. Although I saw this with my own eyes, I cannot put this into the article because it would be original research.

There is a plaque at the corner of Martin-Greif and Landsberger streets commemorating the victims (at least is was there after the accident, I hope it is still there). I live far from Munich now (in Canada), so I cannot take a photo of the plaque, but maybe somebody living in Munich could do it and post it here. Andreas (T) 02:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for clarifying the location! Obviously, when I made my recent changes in an attempt to expand the article a bit I was relying on information that was in error (taken from the New York Times and Time Magazine articles published that week in 1960). The articles were likely written by people unfamiliar with the area.  I've also read conflicting information on whether all the deaths on the ground were just those people on the streetcar.  One source said 16 of those killed on the ground were in the streetcar, which would mean there were other passers-by that were killed. I wanted to leave it open that others on the ground besides the streetcar riders were killed, because of the conflicting information.  Such a tragedy, in any case.  Although it made the front page of the New York Times, I assume that it was still overshadowed by the mid-air collision in New York City the day before.  Sadly, trying to find information on this Munich crash isn't very easy, at least with the usual Google method, so once again thanks for fixing my errant changes.


 * If you're sure the church steeple was St Paul's, please feel free to put that back in the article. The sources I read weren't always clear about which church was hit by the plane, so I made the article vague in that respect. Itsfullofstars 04:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The church spire was 97 meters (318 feet) tall. Not the other way round. This was an aircraft taken off from a European airport, striking a European (German) church. FWIW, it was also on its way to a British airport - the use of the UK use metric system was permitted in 1960 and is the norm today. The ownership and origin of the aircraft aren't relevant to the church spire's height.
 * Does this matter? Ask the legions of Americans that infest Wikipedia prepared to die for the slightest suggestion of the primacy of the metric system. 2A01:4B00:AE0E:6200:C5BA:D07A:EAD3:7201 (talk) 10:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The photo in the article does not show the right location, it shows the crossroads Schwanthalerstraße/ Martin-Greif-Straße! The plane crashed about 100 meters away where Martin-Greif-Straße hits Bayerstraße (not Landsberger Straße). I already fixed this on the German page [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Flugzeugungl%C3%BCck_am_17._Dezember_1960_in_M%C3%BCnchen Flugzeugunglück am 17. Dezember 1960 in München]. From the german discussion page: "Das Photo zeigt die Kreuzung Schwanthaler/ Martin-Greif-Straße (siehe https://www.google.de/maps/@48.1375177,11.5499706,3a,75y,340.51h,103.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgjqLWB2NmDEimlzFQCPztA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656    ) ... Im Hintergrund, kaum zu sehen, der eigentliche Absturzort Martin-Greif-Straße/ Bayerstraße am Hackerberg, also eine Kreuzung weiter nördlich (siehe https://www.google.de/maps/place/Bayerstra%C3%9Fe,+M%C3%BCnchen/@48.1387391,11.5498677,3a,90y,343.06h,81.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sY8lHbwZKwSsF_4-Ko0L9tA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DY8lHbwZKwSsF_4-Ko0L9tA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.021145%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x479e75f8d5f5c8b1:0x8d8415bfefb8fe9d     ).    Das jetzige Photo (Stand 25.9.2015) sollte daher auf jeden Fall entfernt bzw. ersetzt werden." JeanPersil (talk) 12:21, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I now removed the wrong picture (File:München Martin-Greif-Str. nördlich.JPG|thumb|Accident site in 2007) in 'Editing 1960 Munich C-131 crash (section)'JeanPersil (talk) 16:19, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Article Name
Would this not be better at 1960 Munich Convair Samaritan crash or similar as it does confuse when the first line says it is a C-131. MilborneOne (talk) 19:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. WideBlueSky (talk) 23:28, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

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