Talk:1960 United States presidential election/Archive 2

No mention to the mafia?
I find it strange that there is no mention to Seymour M. Hersh's book The Dark side of Camelot where he alleges that the mafia intervened to rig the election in favor of JFK.

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/0316360678/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=The+dark+side+of+camelot&qid=1604555538&sr=8-1 https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-nov-09-mn-51973-story.html

Colorized Nixon
For those who would complain that the Nixon pic is black and white, here's a colorized version I did.--Emperor Norton I (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC) http://imageshack.us/m/593/2203/colornix.png


 * That shade of blue for the jacket wasn't worn until the 70s, and even then, never by a politician like Nixon. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 11:46, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Contradiction/Bias in opening paragraph?
The opening paragraph contradicts itself - it states that several factors explain why the election was so close, yet it then gives a long list of reasons why Kennedy ran a superior campaign to Nixon, without ever detailing anything Nixon did right. Logically, if JFK ran such a vastly superior campaign, the results wouldn't have been close. So the rest of the paragraph contradicts the opening sentence. Either the opening sentence needs to be deleted, or maybe the paragraph needs to be rewritten to make it more objective and accurate in supporting the opening sentence. Just a thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.229.162 (talk) 02:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Margin of Victory and Rounding Error
The vote totals are generally given as 49.7% for Kennedy and 49.6% for Nixon. This suggests a margin of victory of 0.1%. But, while the percentages are correctly rounded to one digit, the actual margin of victory was 0.17%, which rounds to 0.2%. I plan to change the way the figures are rounded to give more consistent numbers. This is complicated by the fact that the count given for Kennedy may be wrong. The article and the cited source give him 34,220,984 votes, but the National Archive article I found (http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/scores.html#1960) gives him 34,226,731. However, I hesitate to just change the number, because the National Archive article I found gives incomplete results — it only includes Kennedy and Nixon. One or both figures may fail to account for the results of recounts, so this could get messy. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * re JFK's vote total -- there's a problem with Alabama--where Kennedy was not on the ballot but most of the Dem electors voted for him. Does he get the HIGHEST elector or the AVERAGE elector? Rjensen (talk) 09:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I know it's a few years later, but most DEM electors voted for Harry Byrd. I put the highest total for an unpledged elector on the charts, as JFK's popular vote total in that state was the highest vote for one of his electors.Ericl (talk) 21:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Lead Photo of Nixon
That lead photo of Nixon is from the late 60s or 70s when he was President. We should use one from when he was Vice President, even if it's black and white. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 11:48, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I keep putting the VP/1960 era Nixon photo up, and people keep playing tug of war with it, putting the 1973 Nixon there. I wish they'd stop. The photo I put up (and the one up as of this writing) is Nixon of this period. It is Nixon as VP. The photo they keep trying to put up is Nixon from 1973. THIRTEEN YEARS after the election of 1960, and very visibly aged and different. That photo gives the illusion that JFK was young and Nixon was this older statesmen, when they were roughly the same age, and is extremely misleading on top of being out and out incorrect and anachronistic.--67.240.156.83 (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Morse and Brown as Serious Candidates?
Nowhere in any of the literature on the 1960 campaign have I seen Wayne Morse of Oregon and Pat Brown of California referred to as "major candidates" for the 1960 Democratic presidential nomination, yet they're both listed and described as major candidates in this article. In every book or magazine article I've read on the campaign they're listed as minor or favorite-son candidates who had no chance of winning the nomination. Theodore White's classic book names Humphrey and Symington as weak "major" candidates, and Stevenson, LBJ, and Kennedy as more serious "major" candidates. IMO, given the preponderance of evidence that indicates otherwise, they shouldn't be listed with Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey, etc. as serious contenders for the nomination, because they weren't.

And... if Brown really was a major candidate, why does he have no picture in the gallery of candidates, while total trivia question "businessman" Fisher does?--23.119.204.117 (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Vice President Nixon ... In Color
I have an image of VP Nixon in color. However, I am unsure of the licensing which is why I did not bring it up until now. http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg39/scaled.php?server=39&filename=richardnixon.png&res=landing

If someone could find the licensing, and see if it's acceptable, then I believe it would be the proper-most image for the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.156.83 (talk) 06:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Here's another http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2533/nixona1.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.156.83 (talk) 12:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Either of these would look better. Any movement on these? They look like official government photos. TuckerResearch (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

POV?
In the end, Nixon's emphasis on his experience carried little weight.

This statement (from the lede) seems rather POV given that he received nearly 50% of the vote while running during an economic recession. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 02:32, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Harry F. Byrd, Sr
Harry Byrd received FIFTEEN (15!) electoral votes. Why isn't he on the box in the left hand corner? I mean, I can understand not having some schub voted for by a faithless elector, but the unpledged electors announced that they would vote for him before the election, and as such, he WON two states. YoursT (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Byrd never ran for president. He was simply the choice of rebelling, unpledged electors. Less than 1% of the ballots cast actually had Byrd's name on it.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:01, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Edit Request
The third paragraph is too biased in favour of Kennedy, especially for such a close election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.232.207 (talk) 22:09, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree, and said as much in the above section some four years ago. The entire paragraph praises Kennedy, and does nothing but criticize Nixon. From reading the third paragraph in the opening section of the article, a general reader would logically come to the conclusion that JFK must have won the election in a landslide, when in fact it was one of the closest presidential elections in American history. The paragraph needs to be rewritten to include both Kennedy and Nixon's strengths and weaknesses, not just endlessly praising JFK. Just my two cents. 2602:304:691E:5A29:6DE9:48:7DD7:4BC0 (talk) 03:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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"not eligible for re-election"

 * The incumbent President, Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower, was not eligible for re-election after being elected the maximum two times allowed by the Twenty-second Amendment; he was the first President affected by that amendment.

Please elaborate. In previous prez election articles, the lede sometimes tells us an incumbent chooses to not run again.

Arguably, a prez that chooses not to run after two terms would not be "affected" by 22nd, since it is irrelevant unless you want to seek a third term.

So: did Eisenhower want a third term had he been able to seek it? The masses want to know.

Note: the passage saying "was not eligible for re-election" is not up for contestion. That's just a fact. I'm talking about "he was the first President affected by that amendment". Was he really?

Perhaps it would be better to rephrase to avoid taking a stance on the issue, since I guess we can't ever know for sure. Let me edit the passage and you let me know what you think. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 12:43, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter whether or not Ike would have run for a third term if he wanted to. He was the first President to be term limited, and the Republicans realized that the Joke was on them with that "anti-Roosevelt" 22nd amendment. Arglebargle79 (talk) 22:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Harry Byrd suggestion
The rule for later elections is that a candidate must get five percent of the national vote or win one presidential elector (from Nebraska or Maine). As the Unpledged Elector movement announced that they were going to vote for Byrd before the election, doesn't that mean he won 14 electors and thus should be in the info box?Arglebargle79 (talk) 22:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The unpledged slate won yes, this is different than any other election and a unique occurance. I think either Harry Byrd or simply "unpledged electors" should be listed in the infobox.XavierGreen (talk) 02:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)