Talk:1968 Democratic Party presidential primaries

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I'm confused. The article states that "However, McCarthy refused to withdraw from the Presidential race and made it clear that he would contest Kennedy in the upcoming New York primary" ... and then says that only thirteen states (New York not among them) held primaries. Could someone please clarify? -- Avocado (talk) 16:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The New York primary didn't have a beauty contest until 1980, therefore delegates were on the ballot for themselves.Ericl (talk) 13:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ericl. Is there a way to clarify that in the text? -- Avocado (talk) 15:21, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The one missing from the states listing was West Virginia - it is included in the chart as having "unpledged" delegates, so I corrected that particular statement so the listing is consistent with the chart. As for New York, Eric is correct, 1980 was the first year they had a primary similar to the other states in the chart. Rosalina523 (talk) 16:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Extremely late, but New York used to have Delegate Primaries where Delegates to the National Convention were elected, as opposed to a Presidential Primary; Delegates in each Congressional District were listed with a designation indicating which candidate they supported or if they were uncommitted, and the top three vote getters would be named that District's Delegates. At-Large delegates which made up about a third of the delegation give or take would be named exclusively by the Party's State Committee. The confusing and undemocratic nature of the whole system lead to it being disbanded by 1980 in favor of a traditional Presidential Primary. --Ariostos (talk) 07:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

McCarthy
McCarthy was excluded from the title thing at the top, so I put him back.

Roger Branigin-portrait
I inserted the portrait of Roger Branigin in the candidates-gallery. I believe that fair use applies here, but I am not sure. If anyone can find out if my edit is legitimate, please do so. Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 08:22, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Harold Hughes Was For McCarthy
I am also confused in that the list of endorsers at the bottom lists Harold Hughes for George McGovern, yet in fact Hughes gave the nominating speech at the 1968 Democratic Convention for Eugene McCarthy. Andymickey (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Extremely late, and I will have to double-check, but I vaguely remember Harold Hughes being rather... chaotic in terms of who he threw his support to. While he did ultimately support Eugene McCarthy at the Democratic Convention, I believe that at first he did support George McGovern as the successor candidate to Bobby Kennedy in lieu of Ted Kennedy having no interest himself. I think it was when he arrived at the conclusion that McCarthy was the only viable Anti-War candidate in the running that he double-backed and endorsed McCarthy, and then the McCarthy campaign asked him to make the nominating speech in the hopes of winning over delegates that had previously been in favor of Kennedy. --Ariostos (talk) 07:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

New York Primary
The article mentions that McCarthy "made it clear that he would contest Kennedy in the upcoming New York primary", but New York isn't included in the subsequent list of states conducting primaries at the time or the table of primary results.--89.206.231.2 (talk) 09:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Extremely late, but New York used to have Delegate Primaries where Delegates to the National Convention were elected, as opposed to a Presidential Primary; Delegates in each Congressional District were listed with a designation indicating which candidate they supported or if they were uncommitted, and the top three vote getters would be named that District's Delegates. At-Large delegates which made up about a third of the delegation give or take would be named exclusively by the Party's State Committee. The confusing and undemocratic nature of the whole system lead to it being disbanded by 1980 in favor of a traditional Presidential Primary. --Ariostos (talk) 07:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

In-Progress New Primaries and Caucuses Results List

 * Something I have been working on for a couple of days now, but it is becoming increasingly clear that the sources I have on hand, primarily the archives of the New York Times, are not going to be enough to finish this. I'll admit that I have always wanted to fill out the entirety of the map for each of the Presidential nomination contests as, realistically, the primaries were always at most something of a sideshow until '72 or '76, and it is important to note how the cards came down in the other States to better explain the situation on the Convention floor. Of course the '68 Democratic Primaries are complicated by Kennedy's assassination... which complicates how best to display the results. As an example, Indiana was won by Kennedy and he took at least sixty votes, potentially sixty three depending on how the State Convention felt when they certified Kennedy's victory; unfortunately the Convention was to be held some time after the California primary, and with Kennedy's death the Indiana delegates were legally uncommitted. Fast-forward to the the Convention, the State Democratic Party stacks the delegation with "uncommitted" Humphrey supporters, with four or five delegates awarded to McCarthy.
 * Therefore, it seems important to display the situation of the Primaries as it existed on June 4th with those final primaries, but that it seems just as important to display the State of the Race as of August 26th when all of the contests have concluded and the Kennedy-favoring delegations have moved elsewhere. I also feel it is important to push back the Presidential Primaries that don't award any delegates in favor of the Delegate Primaries that do, as those would be far more representative; Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire are the ones that come to mind.
 * Any help or input that could be provided by other users would be immensely helpful, as I'm loathe to put the table in in its current state. I'll continue tinkering away here and there, I know that there are quite a number of States still missing especially in the South and West (i.e. Texas), but there may not be much more I myself can add. --Ariostos (talk) 07:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Very excellent work here; I have begun doing the same separately to help complete this article and bring it up to standards. I will begin integrating this work into the article; unfortunate that nobody has built on it in the prior two years. Would be happy to work with you on this if you are still actively interested. I'm pleased to say I have a Newspapers.com subscription which would allow us to move past the NY Times, but it doesn't resolve the main problem which prevents me from just copy-pasting your sources in (besides the confusion you noted in how to deal with delegate projections versus final vote, which is universal to these articles): in many cases, the newspapers report partial or inaccurate totals which are later clarified. So, while newspapers are a great resource for us, official certified results are preferable where possible. -A-M-B-1996- (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Infobox
@-A-M-B-1996- Your restoration is nonsensical ("favorite sons" who received votes and delegates and appeared on ballots are not included, but Humphrey, who FAMOUSLY sat-out the primary is represented in the infobox for the results of the primary?)

It also misrepresents history. If someone went off of your representation, they'd be bewildered as to why it was seen as undemocratic that Humphrey was selected as the nominee at the convention. After all, you are misrepresenting him as having won his delegates through the primaries rather than being voted for by the delegates that were not awarded through primary process (which is actually what happened). Please revert and discuss further here. SecretName101 (talk) 18:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @-A-M-B-1996- are you unwilling to discuss these points? SecretName101 (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @-A-M-B-1996- If you are unwilling to discuss changes, you cannot expect them to remain against argued objections, now can you? It's been more than two weeks, and you have been active on this article, yet failed to defend your infobox preference. SecretName101 (talk) 02:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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The map has obvious problems
Some of the legend's colors don't match the map's. (This is a common problem-- check other pages!) And the legend lists candidates not appearing on the map? Huh? And make the D.C. dot a bit larger. And Phillips is not a favorite son? And two almost identical purples? And I would lose the fancy dynamic radio-button thing, if only because the "Show all" option doesn't label which is which (and two are identical). 64.83.233.130 (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)