Talk:1971 Tour de France

Total distance/average speed
There seems to be uncertainty about the total distance (and hence average velocity - the winning time is consistent in different sources):

The box on this page quotes:
 * Distance (d): 4118 km (suspiciously close to the 4117 km of 1969)
 * Winning time (t): 96h 45' 14" (= 96.754 h)
 * Average velocity (v): 38.084 km/h
 * hence, d/t = 42.562 km/h - internally inconsistent and a bit high

The body text quotes:
 * d = 3689 km
 * v = 36.925 km/h
 * hence, using d/v = 99.905 h; probably too high (t may well be the most trustworthy value)

The sum of the stage lengths on this page gives:
 * d = 3584.2 km
 * so that, using the winning time of 96.754 h, v = 37.044 km/h — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstroFloyd (talk • contribs) 09:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

LeTour.fr gives:
 * d = 3608 km
 * v = 38.084 km/h
 * t = 96h 45' 14"
 * hence, d/t = 37.290 km/h; internally inconsistent

AstroFloyd (talk) 18:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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Work shy wheelsuckers
I'm just curious why it is ok to include the opinion on Lomme Driessens on this matter claiming that Zoetemelk & Van impe were workshy wheelsuckers but it's not ok to state the actual fact that Zoetemelk didn't have a single teammate in the top 50, often times only had 3 or 4 guys finishing the race on his team & was basically in an isolated position at all times early in his career? Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 12:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly let me just let you know that I'm not interested in warring with. I'm here only to try and write a 'good' article. I don't write to make some look better than others, so if that's what you're saying then you are completely wrong. And also, "In fact Merckx disliked Driessens before.." and the paragraph about Van impe and Zoetemelk aren't about the race so can only be included as notes.
 * The pair were seen by Driessens as that in this race, so I thought it was worthy of noting. I read others saying the same thing, so I don't believe it is as outrageous as you seem to think. Anyway, it's quite clearly a just a fact in this race, Van impe not so much. There's no need for you to get offended for them. I think some of the stuff about Zoetemelk and Van impe is worthy, but needs tidying and must all be cited. Did you read it somewhere, if so, where? I'll search and see what I can find. BaldBoris 13:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Well it was found out by researching the start list for the team that he rode on each year in the case of Zoetemelk.... And noticing that not only did most of his teammates not even finish the race but the ones who did were ranked around 90th place in the first 2 years.... In the subsequent years they fared slightly better but not by much and it wasn't until 1975 that he had a single teammate in either the top 30 or the top 50 I forget which... In any case you're not a wheelsucker if half your team doesn't finish the race and The other half can't even crack the top 50 year after year so if you're going to slander a rider using what some other DS said it's worth adding a counterpoint in the interest of partiality and being fair.... It didn't apply to Van Impe because he had strong riders on his teams often times including former Tour winners.... Then as far as Merckx and Driessens earlier yes I see your point but I only included it Because it was within 2 or 3 pages on the very same source that was cited which may not have been relevant but at the same time might be because it gives more insight between Merckx and driessens which is useful but I suppose not entirely necessary.... As i said i just happened to notice it in the source that was given Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)