Talk:1973 Biltmore Hotel attack

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Merger proposal
I propose merging this article and Assassination of Mehmet Baydar and Bahadır Demir, because they duplicate each other. I proposed to merge into this article, because this one is more developed, but I'm not sure whether this article has the best title, so it is possible to merge the other way around. Grand master  13:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I disagree. As it stands now "1973 Biltmore Hotel attack" is misleading as makes it sound as if the hotel itself was attacked. This would have been a suitable name had the event been about some militants who exploded a bomb under the building or stormed it and taken people there hostage. Unless the title of this article is changed, the material here should instead be merged and incorporated into the "Assassination of..." page. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 06:18, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * In my post above I did not insist that the other article must be merged into this one. I did not mind if we merged this one into Assassination of Mehmet Baydar and Bahadır Demir. I just think that the two articles need to merged, selecting the most appropriate title. I agree that the other article has a more appropriate title, but this one is better written. So let's merge this article into Assassination of Mehmet Baydar and Bahadır Demir, but keep mostly the content of this one. Grand  master  07:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Since they can't even spell the name of the hotel right, can we also get rid of the Turkish genocide-denialist propaganda websites used as references? "1973 Biltmore Hotel assasinations" seems a better title for any merged article. Meowy 20:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, we can add new references, NYT has a number of articles on this topic.  Grand  master  21:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Add new references AND get rid of the old ones! There are also references at the Gourgen Yanikian article that might be useful. As for the merge, I agree there is no need for two articles so a merge is needed - the content is almost identical. "Assassination of Mehmet Baydar and Bahadır Demir" seems very clumsy for a title, but my suggested "1973 Biltmore Hotel assasinations" might be too obscure. I wonder if any of the sources use a particular title for the incident? Meowy 02:49, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Assassination of Mehmet Baydar and Bahadır Demir" is the most accurate title, but it is a bit long. But I have no ideas for a better title at the moment. Grand  master  07:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Why not just merge all the details into the Gourgen Yanikian article? As it stands now, the "Biltmore Hotel..." article really is just a duplication of the section in Yanikian's article on the assassinations. That background information has been sufficiently given there and so the context is provided to the reader.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we can have a separate article about the murder. The section about the killing in the article about Yanikian is too short, and contains very few details. But we can also ask a wider community on how to deal with this situation. I'm not sure whether we should merge the two articles about this killing with that about Yanikian, but I'm sure that the two articles about the same crime should be merged with each other. It would be good to get some outside opinions, I think. Grand  master  19:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I've just finished expanding that section to include the actual details of the assassinations. Since Yanikian is primarily known for his killing of the consuls, I don't see why we cannot integrate everything, context and all, into two or three paragraphs under a single section heading. Is there anything you feel is more appropriate in a separate article than in Yanikian's?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I did look at the Yanikian article and consider that as a possibility. But I then thought "Yanikian was more than just an assassin, and the aftermath and influence of the assassinations involved more than just Yanikian". However, I'm now wondering if there is any content on any merged Biltmore Hotel article that would not be included in the Yanikian article - if there isn't then there will be an exact duplication of content. Duplication of content is the killer argument for all three to be merged, so if there is near exact duplication and everything could be included in the one article, with no loss of content or clarity, I'd support it. Less is more. Meowy 22:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try to work a little on Yanikian article to see if there's content that would be appropriate in a separate article. Grand  master  09:22, 16 June 2012 (UTC)