Talk:1977 South African Grand Prix

Carlos Pace
Would it be worth mentioning in the article that this was the last race of Carlos Pace (who qualified second in the Brabham) - he died less than a fortnight after this race (on 18/03/77) in an aircraft accident? I think it deserves a mention. Plutonium27 (talk) 22:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Added. DH85868993 (talk) 02:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Protection
Why is this article semi-protected?  K u l i w i l  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kuliwil 07:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuliwil (talk • contribs)
 * It was edited by a sock-puppet back in June. I have asked the admin who protected the article to unprotect it, since I believe the protection is no longer required. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. DH85868993 (talk) 08:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been unprotected. DH85868993 (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Jansen van Vuuren
This is just a pre-emptive comment to stop people from reversing my edit. The article referred to Frederick Jansen van Vuuren (http://cfm.globalf1.net/?page_id=68) just by his last name "Jansen van Vuuren". The surname "Jansen van Vuuren" is a common one in South Africa, and is sometimes shortened to simply "Van Vuuren" in everyday usage, though it also exists without the "Jansen". "Jansen" on its own is not used as a first name. When writing an Afrikaans surname that contains "van", it is correct to write it in lowercase when used in combination with a first name, or when it is not the first word in the surname, as is the case with "Jansen van Vuuren". When writing it on its own, as in "The marshal Van Niekerk ran out onto the track," it is correct to capitalise it.

I guess people who are not familiar with Afrikaans surnames like Jansen van Vuuren or Jansen van Rooyen mistakenly assumed that the marshal's first name was "Jansen". TheySuspect (talk) 23:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Dead link
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--JeffGBot (talk) 04:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


 * An archive link already exists. DH85868993 (talk) 07:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Death of Tom Pryce
I've replaced the following text: "cracking the driver's hard-shell helmet. The impact tore off the remnants of Pryce's protective helmet and caused the chin strap to almost decapitate the driver" with "killing him instantly" since it does not appear in any reliable source that I have yet found. Longwayround (talk) 09:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Je was not decapitated, his skull was broken and his head looked like a smashed egg, blood over the place and car. Don't need sources, watch it it on TV live and they show it for months and years again and again. The whole accident is recorded from all angles. The car came to stop just under the TV camera.
 * I'm glad it's so difficult to see it 81.38.213.148 (talk) 02:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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Objections?
After I made a number of changes to some pretty poor writing (e.g. "horror crash" -> "near-fatal crash" - this is not the Sun), someone undid them all saying "rv - disagree, take it to talk. I am unable to guess what it was they objected to, and they themselves have not further elaborated.  If no actual objections to my edits are raised, I'll restore them in due course.  86.173.208.129 (talk) 20:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


 * No actual objections, apparently, so I'll restore the changes. 86.173.208.129 (talk) 07:09, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * You should have waited longer, as I did not notice your post. I shall revert until this discussion is over. You have not stated your objection to the first sentence you have removed. Some of your other edits are fine. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * You expect me to guess your reasons for objecting to changes, and you expect me to guess when you read the talk pages of articles you edit. Helpful fellow, aren't you?  A day and a half should have been plenty of time, and yet you still haven't given the slightest hint as to what it was you didn't like about my edits.  In the absence of any concrete objections, I'll restore my changes.  If you find them unacceptable for some reason, just say why.  86.173.208.129 (talk) 22:14, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * First, read WP:CIVIL and cut out the fancy remarks. A day and a half is not enough, as was proved. "Should be plenty of time" according to which guideline? Most of your edits have been kept. Scheckter should be referred to a a local driver because it was his home race. He doesn't have to come from the nearest town to the track to be referred to as local. You haven't provided any detailed objection to the first sentence you removed, which has been in place for many years – the only objector being a banned editor, known for contributing nothing and causing trouble. I believe the wording of that sentence to be more helpful than the version you prefer. Lastly, while a discussion is ongoing, it is considered unconstructive just to continue reverting to your favourite version of the article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * You don't seem to be particularly familiar with CIVIL. A day and a half was much more than enough.  See WP:REVEXP - you should have explained your revert when you made it and ignoring the subsequent discussion that I tried to start was just rude.
 * Scheckter is not local. South Africa is a very large country and he's from hundreds of miles away.  The article already says that he's South African, that's perfectly sufficient.  Would you describe Jackie Stewart as a local when writing about Brands Hatch?  And how is the wording you want for the first sentence more helpful?  I did explain my objection.  It's double the word count of my version with no added information.  General rule of good writing - if you can cut out a word, do so.
 * Now it seems to me that you're reverting not out of a desire to improve the article, but more to claim ownership of it. The fact that you have taken several days to provide even a cursory justification for your revert does not indicate good faith actions here.  So please take the chip off your shoulder and realise that I want to make the article better.  If you want that too, then stop being obnoxious and let's get on with it.  86.173.208.129 (talk) 22:41, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, whatever you say. If you think I'm getting into yet another pissing contest with you, forget it. You're already reported. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If only you'd explained yourself when reverting. That's all you had to do to work collaboratively and productively here.  Why didn't you do that? 86.173.208.129 (talk) 22:46, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, silly me. Maybe I just wanted extra proof. You don't seem remotely surprised that you've been reported. I guess you're used to it, right? Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Impacts
were there any changes to safety policies (etc) as a result of the fatalities?

The section mentioning the track fire policy speaks in past tense, as if the fire policy changed afterwards Hypershock (talk) 04:54, 7 October 2023 (UTC)