Talk:1980s in fashion

merge
i think this article should be merged with the 1980's article because the fashion area there is lacking and this was hard to find

world view
I would just like to say that this corresponds to 1980s fashion around the world, not just in America. Gflores Talk 03:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I was waiting for this to come up. I'll just be forward and say that I have no idea how we should deal with this.  Suggestions? Juppiter 03:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, after doing some google searches, I couldn't find much else. I did find a few things from Europe, but not much elsewhere. I'm sure there were some fashion trends in Japan and other eastern Asian countries. I'll do some more searching tomorrow. Gflores Talk 06:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that what was popular in Western Europe at that time was generally the same as the US. By global, I thought you meant Africa and the Soviet Union.  Because that's the hard part. Juppiter 11:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Whatever we can find, I guess.

format
The current structure doesn't seem right to me. It separates women, early/mid/late 1980s, and men into separate sections. We can do it in a format similar to 1990s fashion or have it split into men/women. Comments? Gflores Talk 16:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well I say we go for the 1990s format, so then we have both articles in a similar structure. I also think a men/women article would be less interesting to read. But anyhow, the current format is too specific.Forever young 16:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've changed it now... I just moved the fashions around. Lots of organization and expansion needed. I'm also not sure if should pads should be a separate section. Gflores Talk 18:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The new format is much better, cheers. Juppiter 18:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think the pads should have their own heading, purely because the article is divided up into three eras of the decade and its just kind of random to have it as a heading. Forever young 02:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but... who the hell is Tracy? (See intro paragraph.) I mean, she sounds very helpful and all, but still. No link, no explanation; should the reader just know who is being referred to here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.121.229 (talk) 05:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Cultural bias
So far this article has covered the U.K. and anglo North America pretty well. It needs balance. Other than Michael Jackson's Thriller look it says almost nothing about African-American fashion (any Jheri Curl experts out there)? How about trends in other parts of the world, such as the dramatic impact the Iranian revolution and its influence had on women's attire in some Muslim countries? Durova 02:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I can understand the African-American aspect of 1980's fashion, but who gives a crap about the "impact the Iranian revolution and its influence" on women's fashion in Muslim countries? That is such an obscure footnote it's laughable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.25.10 (talk) 07:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the title should reflect that this is either Western fashion or American fashion alone. And yes, African-American fashion should be in this, if not in its own article. Bali88 (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Images
Almost all of these images are copyrighted and used under fair use - which I believe requires us to discuss the object in the picture not merely use it as an illustration. Can't we replace these with free use images? Rmhermen 16:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There is one PD image, and that's fine. But all the rest are of questionable fair use. The Madonna album cover, for instance, is tagged, which says that the image should only be used in articles about the album. I think all these images are skating to close to violating the law, and should be removed. Besides, we should be able to find PD or GFDL images of 80s fashion. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 13:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It would be best to remove all the screenshots I guess. Forever young 13:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe they should be kept until suitable replacements are found. I definitely hate to lose the Flashdance cover; that's the one image that I think will be difficult to replace.Juppiter 19:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Fashion where
How well do the fashions described here repesent the entire world? Or do they just represent U.S./British culture? Rmhermen 16:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no plot to exclude any fashion(s), but I don't know how easy it is to access all the info. Forever young 16:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * At the moment the article doesn't cover every country for 80s fashion, lots of work to be done! — Wackymacs 17:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There's not really a way to please everyone with this "globalization" stuff; people in a lot of areas (Russia, the Middle East, South and Central America, etc.) are still wearing these clothes... so to them it could be considered centrist even to use the term "80s" fashion. You can't please everyone. Is everyone really upset that the latest 80s fashions in designer burqas aren't listed here? Kafziel 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

It only covers fashion in popular culture. In most countries with traditional culture, the fashion trends do not change from decade to decade to warrant mention in the decade-specific article. Naturally, we will only be interested in the first world, (with the more affluent living in the developing world looking for the developed world for inspiration). It is impossible to cover every country in the world, and it shouldnt. --Jiang 07:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * My point exactly. This article deals with the first world, because that's where fashion comes from. It's not meant to be global. So the tag should be removed from the top. Kafziel 13:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I question how well this covers fashion outside the U.S. For instance every photos is of an American. How popular were leg warmers in say, France or Italy? Rmhermen 00:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest that even the term "popular culture" is problematic because popular culture differs in different parts of the world. Countries outside the "first" world still have popular culture. They won't be the same as that of Anglo-American countries even though some aspects may be similar. May I suggest stating at the top of the article that it represents Anglo-American popular culture only? That would obviate the need for trying to incoporate other regions' fashion trends into the article. Or rename the article to "Anglo-American 1980s fashion"? Mona-Lynn 19:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the title is good as is. If anyone wants to add fashions particular to the 1980s from other countries, they can feel free. If anyone is offended by a lack of content about a specific place, I would refer them to template:sofixit. We don't need to ruin the article by trying to make it too politically correct. That's not what Wikipedia is about. Besides, making the title too specific shuts out the possibility of adding other countries' information later.
 * The fact is, most countries either get their fads from the west (t-shirts, sneakers, jeans, accessories) or simply don't get caught up in fads at all (at least not often enough to be redefined several times per decade). If there are exceptions to that, then the information can be added by anyone who wants to do so. Kafziel 20:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Name
Should this article be at "1980s in fashion" or "1980s fashion"? see the variations at History of Western fashion. --Jiang 06:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Miami Vice
Miami Vice states that "[The] show had a huge influence on (men's) fashion at the time, arguably inventing the "white T-shirt under Armani jacket"-style. Pastel colors dominated the series in clothes (...)." Perhaps someone can work that into the article.


 * Made note of it in mid 1980s Forever young 12:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

What links here:
You know what I've found? I love articles like this. But then, they're so isolated. The 'what links here' section shows mostly User and User talk pages. Along with reforming an article should come linkage of the article in other articles where it is deemed to now be effective. Neh?

Lockeownzj00 03:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Body scarification

 * Tattooing, piercing and body scarification began to enter the mainstream.

Tattoing and piercing yes, but has "body scarification" ever been remotely mainstream? Perhaps teen girls cutting themselves became more widespread as this entered the public consciousness, but this is just a form of self-harm and is regarded as pathological even if not uncommon. It seems to me that ornamental scarification has always been more on the fringes of BME, which has never been "mainstream," at least in the West. NTK 17:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Found this source at National Geographic:
 * In the U.S., scarification emerged in San Francisco as part of a new body-modification movement in the mid-1980s. It was originally embraced by gay and lesbian subcultures, said Victoria Pitts, professor of sociology at the City University of New York in New York City.
 * But by the early 1990s, members of a neotribal, or "modern primitive," movement began using scarification. "That movement was interested in reviving or reenacting indigenous body rituals from around the world—trying to get in touch with a more authentic or spiritual experience of the body," Pitts said.

I am taking scarification out. If someone wants to rework it into the article as a fringe fashion, go ahead. But it is clearly out of the mainstream. NTK 18:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Preppiness
How can an entry about 80's fashion not mention preppiness? Please refer to Lisa Birnbach's book from the early 80's "The Preppy Handbook." Mention something about Lacoste, pink polo shirts, Sperry docksiders with white bottoms (as worn by Tom Cruise in Risky Business), madras plaid shorts/pants, etc. Also, sailing clothing.


 * I totally agree. If there's any decade whose fashion trends I could discuss at length, it's the '80s, and this article makes one wonder if anybody who wrote it was actually old enough to remember them. The preppy look was huge in 1980-81, particularly if you went to a school like mine whose dress code was not so formal as to require jackets and ties but forbade jeans, T-shirts and sneakers. I wore the same beaten pair of Top-Siders all the way into 1986, long after the fad had expired. Also, the article suggests "day-glo" colors were popular as beach and party wear around 1987. I remember them being called "neon" colors and popular long before that. And what of other trends like:


 * Capezio dance shoes. Every other girl at my high school seemed to have a pair, first in white then other colors.
 * The whole urban guerilla look. The '80s were the decade of mesh, zippered pockets and much more elaborate fastenings than necessary.
 * Skinny leather ties (think The Cars in innumerable videos). I have to think that's a direct reaction to the wide ties of the preceding decade.
 * The whole Valley Girl look. Miniskirts and the headbands.
 * Painters pants (with the little hooks on the side) and painters hats, the latter being one of the cheapest fad acessories when they were made of paper and promoted something. I actually think I had two.
 * Real embarrasments like Members Only jackets. If VH-1 can go into them, so can we. Even if we don't want to remember.
 * Also, I have rarely seen it mentioned, but the color palette of fashion, particularly womenswear, has never been so vibrant since. I have not seen women wearing colored (or for that matter, textured) stockings since like they did then ... hosiery came in just about every color. Today, red stockings look shocking ... back then they were nothing compared to yellow and pink and blue.


 * For one thing, I'm tagging this as unreferenced since it makes many sweeping (and mistaken) assertions with little but a few pictures to back them up. Daniel Case 17:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I would also add that while "preppy" was an international trend, it may have been known as "Sloane Ranger" in the UK. Sloane Square, London, was considered the hub of upper-class young adults (especially those of peerage or noble families) who worked (often part-time or on a casual basis) in London and spent weekends in the country. The most famous "Sloane Ranger" would be Diana, Princess of Wales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.162.60 (talk) 02:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Surf / skate / punk
Don't see any of those represented. Seemed like that was huge in the 80s where I lived (in California) and it seems it was significant beyond that region. Pretty much every cartoon and movie had a stereotypical skater, punker or surfer in the 80s. Ryratt (talk) 05:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Rap Music?
Where is rap music mentioned at all? I see the header, but there's no content on it. Did it actually have a part in the 80s, or is the header a mistake? Spirit Stiff (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Fashion of the masses
I think the article focuses too much on celebrities/music stars fashion choices, but although ordinary people tried to look like them, they were way more conservative and not as nonconventional in their way of dressing. Here is an example (an early 1980s Carly Simon video that shows some ordinary people): Why 78.130.136.199 (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That could apply to any decade, including the 1960s.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What I mean is that the article should be expanded to include some of the popular styles of casual clothes of the time. There is also a big difference between the way people dressed in 1980-1983, compared with 1988-1989 for example. 78.130.136.199 (talk) 10:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The image gallery at the bottom of the article shows for the most part what ordinary people wore. Yes, there was a big difference in what people wore in 1980-83 compared with the end of the decade. The difference was not as marked, however, as that of 1960-1963 compared with 1968-1969; or 1970-1973 as compared with 1977-1979!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Did people really go out in public like that?
The photographs currently in this article do not show the full ridiculousness that was socially acceptable/physically possible/considered normal at the time. This might misleadingly give the very young and/or sheltered an incorrectly slightly less unfavorable view. NPOV demands ridiculouser pictures. Possible examples: 2 ounces of hair covering 0.142 cubic meters of space, red plastic ziggurat/upside down sandcastle bucket hat guy, smiling square-headed (clay/prosthetics) guy with black sunglasses. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Recent discovery of new prehistorical artifacts has determined that "smiling square-headed (clay/prosthetics) guy with black sunglasses" was called Max Headroom. The only previous evidence that this idea existed was a 1980s nostalgia Life magazine cover that was seen in a supermarket once. Using this new information, Generation Y prehistorians now know that this is actually a television character and not, in fact, an example of street fashion. Someday, Generation Y prehistorians hope to learn more about this poorly-understood part of prehistory when hair volumes became incredulously big. 150px Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Chinese translation
1980年代早期，無論男女都開始穿著寬鬆的襯衫和緊身褲. 為了展現財力，男性多半穿著成套西裝. 在這個世代，品牌日益重要，例如Ralph Lauren和Calvin Klein即是家喻戶曉的品牌. 瑪丹娜在「宛如處女」專輯發行期間，以「物質女郎」形象聞名，全球少女視其為時尚代表. 1983年的票房電影【閃舞Flashdance】中的，破爛的衣衫開始為大眾熟知，電視劇Dallas 、Dynasty也讓誇張墊肩蔚為潮流.

Template
The article does not just highlight American fashion. It also represents a variety of Western fashions worn by non-American people as one can observe by viewing the images and reading the sections which deal exclusively with British styles. Obviously Britain and the US were the two nations which did have the strongest influence on western fashion in that decade; however, the same could be said of the 1990s and 2000s. I suggest that we remove the template.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Opinion left in here?
This part of the Punk article has no bearing on fashion and seems out of place and opinionated: "The punk style has often been thought of as rebels with intent to scandalize, shock, and provoke, although punk is a double edged sword, in the literal meaning. Although a punk has historically meant a disrespectful child or teenager, it has now come to regard a whole style. This has created a false image that has badly bruised a group of people that originally emerged from England's rock group, which was, coincidentally, leftover hippies. Punk style originated in Europe and has remained a staple there. It has been under intense ridicule, though, due to the fact that the European Union has created a standardized image of Europe as a whole. Not to say the punk scene didn't exist in the United States, either; Los Angeles, California created the "LA" scene, respectively deemed the "Spandex" or "Hair" scene, from which many great punk bands rose."

139.62.55.142 (talk) 16:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

"Material Girl" not "Like a Virgin"
Fourth paragraph down is one of the most bonehead statements I've seen on Wiki...

After the release of her single Like a Virgin in late 1984, Madonna was titled the "Material Girl" and many young women around the world looked to her for fashion statements.

This statement says that the sobriquet arose from the Like A Virgin single. Nonsense. Madonna was called the "Material Girl" because she recorded a song called Material Girl. From the Wiki entry: "Material Girl" is a song by American recording artist Madonna. It was released on January 30, 1985, by Sire Records, as the second single from her second album Like a Virgin.

You may say that she acquired the nickname after the release of the album "Like A virgin" or after the signle Material Girl, but to say that she was christened by the single Like A Virgin is just plain silly. Please correct the description. TY/. 09:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.2.69.235 (talk)
 * Why not just correct it yourself?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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Happy Pants
I was a teenager in California during the 80s and never heard of happy pants. I google it and I can't figure out what it is. Can someone provide a photo because this is drawing a blank. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.238.140.139 (talk) 07:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Article needs a mass deletion
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Removal of New Romantic section
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Vandalism by unregistered user
Some person with a fetish for leggings, keds and sperrys keeps adding the same text to the articles on 80s, 90s and 2010s fashion. It is repetitive, mentions the same trends more than once, is very badly written, and doesn't contribute anything to the article.

''Leggings worn with slouch socks over the leggings and Keds or Boat shoes with over sized sweaters or a turtleneck with champion brand sweatshirt over with hair in bangs or high or high side ponytail with a scrunchie or both bangs and ponytail with scrunchie was also common. And it was not uncommon to see moms right along with their daughters both wearing this oufit. Also seen was a dressed up leggings outfit consisting of leggings with an oversized v-neck sweater over a turtleneck, slouch socks, Keds (shoes), flats, or Sperrys, and bangs with a headband or ponytail and scrunchie. And it was not uncommon to see moms right along with their daughters both wearing this oufit. Another preppy outfit was a baby doll dresses worn with capri leggings or bike shorts, slouch socks, and Keds or Sperrys or with opaque tights and flats or opaque tights and slouch socks with Keds or Sperrys. And it was not uncommon to see moms right along with their daughters both wearing these babydoll dress oufits. Moms and daughters also both wore jeans worn rolled up to show off their slouch socks with a sweatshirt especially champion brand over a turtleneck. Mom and daughters also both wore the extremely popular footwear trend of Keds. Also in the late 80s and early 90s mid calf dresses with pantyhose or tights were popular with moms while mid calf dresses were popular with girls from upper elementary on up and some moms with slouch socks and Keds. Many girls had these dresses in their closets right along with shorter skater and baby doll dresses. Suspender shorts were also in and worn over a top with tights in cooler weather and with slouch socks in warmer weather. Suspender dresses were also popular and worn similarly as suspender shorts except in summer bike shorts were worn under the dress. Also cotton pants in bright neon and pastel color were popular and worn with a skinny colorful belt. They were usually ankle length and many time the leg was rolled up to show off the slouch socks worn with them. They were also worn with flats by themselves or with pantyhose or tights underneath the pants. Flats were commonly worn and many times socks were worn with the flats especially slouch socks or triple roll socks that were worn sometimes by themselves with the flats or sometimes over tights with the flats. Shorts suits were also very popular. They consisted of a regular suit top and jacket and dress shorts with tights underneath worn with ballet flats. Also skeggings were popular. Skeggings are a skirt with attached capri or ankle length leggings.''

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Osama57 (talk • contribs) 19:28 26 June 2017 (UTC)


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