Talk:1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia

Suggestion
It should probably be noted in the article that this famine occurred within the context of the regime's collectivization of agriculture policies. It wasn't just a natural drought anymore than the failures in North Korea, China Great Leap Forward, and the USSR Ukraine were. This is something that the international media consistently failed to note. Robert Kaplan's "Surrender or Starve" covers it pretty well. And it was these policies, among other things, that led to the revolts in Tigre and Eritrea which this article somewhat ironically credits for the famine.

statistics in article
are the statistics in this article from the time of the famine or are they from modern times?

US propaganda as usual
I was a french kid in the 80's, I brought rice to school for Ethiopia. Much later I vaguely heard that this famine, among others, was caused by wars. But it's the first time I learn, NOT from this article, that Ethiopia was a communist country back then. I understand that Wikipedia is American, but is it forbidden to add *one* line in intro and *one* line in the body, doubting the official version?

At least there is *one* sentence to say that there was a famine under Haile Selassie too, which he ignored. (of course they don't say the death toll, no link to all the other capitalist genocides in the history of the world, all in the name of ideology, that if the rich are rich, then it might trickle down in the end, and if the poor don't have bread, why don't they eat croissants? (pastry)

Only *one* line to say that the communist revolution happened *precisely because* of the famines that the capitalists didn't care for. Did BBC make a huge worldwide report about the Haile Selassie capitalist famines? No. They didn't. The famine was hidden by the ethiopian government, and as if by chance, BBC didn't report on capitalist famine. BBC was sleeping well during the Selassie famine.

So Derg did an agrarian reform, distributing land to everyone, while before, the landlords owned the land and the poor could die.

But then another famine happens under communism, despite the efforts to fix the problem? => All of a sudden Ethiopia gets worldwide media attention!!! Who was there first? BBC or CIA ?

I'm not joking. I *learnt* that after CIA was caught trying to kill Castro, they changed their tactic : now they would do all regime changing attempts out in the open. But as apparent good deeds. Through CIA financed "charities" and "NGOs".

Selassie famine? Let's not help! Communist famine? Let's call MTV! Let's turn it into a global hippie festival! Let's fly Phil Collins in Concorde supersonic from Baltimore to London so that he can sing at both Baltimore Live Aid and London Live Aid, in Mondovision!

I could die laughing reading the "debates" on this article main page. The trickery is good. Well crafted. You feel you get the two sides of the coin, Oxfam says this, opponents say that. Well crafted! It sounds so neutral, so encyclopedic, for people who unlike me, have no knowledge outside of this page, about CIA counter-insurgency techniques, all in the name of good.

CIA violated my 8 year old kid's ideals. And now Wikipedia.

Give me a break. All this happened more than 30 years ago. CIA doesn't care about 30 years ago. They care about Yemen now. And the BBC is not there, no live Aid, no Concorde, no Phil Collins, while people are dying by the millions. CIA doesn't care about 30 years ago. So why does Wikipedia not say the truth at last? Is it so important to lie now, now that USSR is overthrown (see _the Shock Doctrine_ by Naomi Klein, where she proves that CIA used a *temporary* crisis in USSR to make the whole country collapse, and then "offer" a regime change, as if they were the Saviors, and of course through the "help" of "charities" like BBC, CIA, Oxfam, Human Rights Watch, Navy Seals, Amnesty International, IMF... But the questions that this article asks is : "Has Oxfam helped the ethiopian communist Regime with its money? Some say that yes. But other scholars say that no." Lol. And of course zero scholars are saying that Oxfam, with the CIA behind, was working *against* the Regime? Lol. inb4 "Fix the article, everyone is free to edit, it's capitalism, it's freedom here, do something!" => Unfortunately I'm not a scholar. I helped raise money for those charities as a salary man (not anymore). *They* have millions to pay scholars to do authorized research that ends up quoted in this article. I don't. I can't fix this article without becoming a professional researcher. I used to contribute to wikipedia much more, not much anymore, the dice are loaded, experience speaks.

At least maybe that talk page message won't be censored, and maybe I won't get a temporary ban (again).

I read below in the talk page about the Sen's, probably Amartya Sen's (economy ~Nobel) debate. It's sad when you learn more in the talk page than in the main, CIA page. --Montalte (talk) 05:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Why on earth would Amnesty International be in "cahoots" with the CIA? 131.194.202.105 (talk) 23:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you have read the articles, it is mentioned the famines before the Derg, and even the famines lists for Ethiopia stretches back to 13th century. So please, stop being so ideological, this is a context of historical records of a particular famine Benfor445 (talk) 18:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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