Talk:1987 Giro d'Italia/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Resolute (talk · contribs) 00:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:


 * General
 * Images are good. All three are listed as having compatible licenses, however File:FaustoCoppi.jpg may have an invalid PD tag given Italy does not seem to support Freedom of Panorama. I'm not going to challenge it here, but there may be a need to upload the image locally and apply a fair use claim at some point in the future.
 * Not required for GA, but alternative text for images is recommended
 * References appear reliable
 * Spot check reveals no close paraphrasing concerns; majority are in Spanish or Italian
 * There are a lot of simple statements that are cited to multiple references. I find this tends to break the text up (though this one is much better in this regard than the last Giro GA nom of yours I reviewed!)  I'd say in the future, take a more minimalist approach.  e.g., does "Van der Velde struck again the next day by winning stage 16" really require two cites to support?
 * Is there any information on attendance at this event (if that is even tracked at something like a cycling tour), prize money for the winners, etc?


 * Lead
 * "It was the second time in the history of the Giro, that the final podium was occupied exclusively by non-Italian riders" - Superfluous comma. Remove it.
 * Second paragraph uses "maglia rosa" three times in close succession. Can you reword this to be less repetitive?
 * "...finishing fifteenth overall; with Panasonic-Isostar finishing as the winners..." - The semicolon awkwardly joins the two statements, while the second half is a malformed sentence fragment. I'd suggest replacing the semicolon with a full stop and reforming the team classification winner statement into a standalone sentence.


 * Teams
 * Cite 7 supports that 20 teams participated and that 180 riders started. Need a citation for 133 riders finishing, however.


 * Race overview
 * "The fourth stage was won by Gewiss-Bianchi's Moreno Argentin, who sprinted away from the leading group on the road to win the stage" - Redundant uses of "win/won the stage". Perhaps simplify to "Gewiss-Bianchi's Moreno Argentin sprinted away from the leading group on the road to win the fourth stage."?
 * "Roche successfully defended the race lead until the stage thirteen 46 km (28.6 mi) individual time trial with a summit finish,..." - just doesn't flow well to me. I think a second comma here would work:  "Roche successfully defended the race lead until stage thirteen, a 46 km (28.6 mi) individual time trial with a summit finish,..."
 * Many uses of "stage" in close succession throughout. Understandable, but look for areas where the same word is frequently re-used in close succession.  In many cases, one use can be removed. eg.: "The next stage was a relatively flat one, as the stage which came down to a sprint finish that Remac - Fanini's Paolo Cimini won."
 * "Roche's actions gained him the hatred of the tifosi, the Italian sports fans." - This interested me greatly, but you don't explain why the Italian fans hated Roche. It is implied given the team orders, but reading ref 24 (The Guardian), I found that the hatred was spawned by his teammate complaining to the media. That would be an interesting addition here. Particularly if the relatively obvious nationalistic attitudes of Italian fans disliked that the Irishman took the lead from an Italian teammate in an Italian race could be cited from another source.


 * Classification leadership
 * I've mentioned this to CS Wolves in other cycling GA reviews, but the dark purple background with dark blue text is hard to read for a normal sighted reader. Anyone with a disability would likely have worse trouble.  I'm not going to call for a specific change here, but I would recommend the cycling project consider a change.  I'm not sure if shifting to white text to create a high contrast look would work, but someone from the accessibility project might help you find a combination that looks good and is functional for everyone.


 * Final standings
 * Citations for the tables?

Looking very good. A couple missing citations, and a couple text alterations, and this should pass easily. In the meantime, I am placing the nomination on hold. Feel free to ping my on my talk page when you wish me to take another look. Thanks, Resolute 00:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Overall


 * I felt like I fixed everything that you outlined specifically in the sections. I left two or three sentences double sourced since I felt that the information was necessary to be done that way. If you'd like me to change that I would be happy to. Disc Wheel  ( Malk  +  Montributions )  20:20, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good. As such, I am passing this article.  Well done!