Talk:1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre

06:46, 27 March 2024 Edit
Tagging @Atinoua and @Politixsperson

I am unable to edit this page myself due to the semi-protected status, but the 06:46 27 March edit by @Repertoire18 seems to be inappropriate for several reasons. The edit reads as follows and was added to the introduction:

"In the days prior to June 4, unarmed soldiers sent to clear the protests were attacked by civilians armed with Molotov cocktails and iron clubs, resulting in severe casualties, including soldiers who were hanged and burned such as Cui Guozheng."

First and most important issue is the factual inaccuracy. Cui Guozhen was killed on the morning of June 4, 1989, after the fighting had begun. This edit portrays him as an unarmed soldier killed prior to June 4, which is false.

Second, the sources provided are low quality and do not relate to the claim. Their first source points to this page https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2317,00.html, which appears to simply be a public forum and which also makes no mention of Cui Guozheng. The second source points to this article https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/_/tiananmen-square-at-25 which accurately describes that Cui Guozheng was a the name of a soldier killed during the conflict on June 3 - 4 according to state media, but this is at odds with the claim made by Repertoire18 that his death occurred in "the days prior to June 4" and the claim that he was unarmed.

Third, this edit seems to be placed here simply to provide justification for the PLA's actions on June 3-4.

A fair discussion of the violence against PLA soldiers should be welcomed, but it needs to be supported by proper sources, presented in an objective manner, and most importantly, be factually accurate. If someone with the ability to edit this page agrees, I'd be grateful if you could revert this edit. Trader347 (talk) 02:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree that this is a poor quality source. I've manually reverted the change. —  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 11:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Edits to the lead of Tank Man article are misleading
Can someone who knows more about the massacre please take a look at this recent edit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank_Man&diff=1227371937&oldid=1227325087

It obfuscates the fact that there was a massacre, but I don't know how to improve the wording. 133.32.217.18 (talk) 08:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I have made some changes. Vacosea (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, looks much better and more clearly written now! 133.32.217.18 (talk) 10:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 8 June 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph (talk) 09:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre → 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and conflicts – The incident was mainly conflicts between soldiers and students, which then led to the massacre. Coddlebean (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose and suggest alternative title While the 1989 events in China primarily centers about the conflict between students and soldiers, "massacre" is major part of the event and cannot be removed whatsoever (unless there are pro-CCP editors who brainwash the story of the Tiananmen protests). So i suggest to kept the title as it is, or removed the name "Protest and" from the article title, so i becomes 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. We don't need the word "protest" in the article title because it was too wordly and the scope of the protest already covered in the article. 2404:8000:1037:178:C433:663:55BF:9D67 (talk) 10:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You are only taking into account the views of the students and not the establishment, which is a violation of Wikipedia's neutral policy. Coddlebean (talk) 11:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We are not required to give WP:FALSEBALANCE. —  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 12:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. The word "massacre" is important in representing the day's events. (I'd support the shorter title in theory, but slightly prefer the current, longer title.)  O.N.R.  (talk) 11:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The massacre itself is the main historic point of the entire event. There is no policy reason to remove that from the title. —  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 12:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support the shorter title per opposers argument. Actually "massacre" cannot be removed from the title given that it was main important element that representing all Tiananmen-related events at the time. The alternative option aside from this is kept the current title as it is. 103.111.100.82 (talk) 02:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose "protests and conflicts", support the shorter title - use the event's COMMONNAME. BoldGnome (talk) 03:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, since it is not the event's common name. Alexeyevitch (talk) 05:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose "Protests and conflicts is redundant, the massacre was also one of the most important parts of the event. 99.254.43.34 (talk) 06:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose In this case, the term "protest and conflicts" is unknown for most readers who want to learn more knowledge about the Tiananmen Square-related events in 1989. If this article needs to move per nom, i rather support the page move into more shorter title (1989 Tiananmen Square massacre), since "massacre" is the most important part of the event and far more important than just ordinary demonstration or clash between students and security forces. 103.144.14.0 (talk) 10:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose. The suggested move violates WP:COMMONNAME. I have never seen this event referred to as the "Tiananmen Square conflict", and changing the name to something less recognizable just makes it more confusing and difficult to find information on the topic. 133.32.217.18 (talk) 10:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep existing name. Both the protest and massacre are important. The protest lasted longer and was known for camping at the square. Most of the killing took place outside the square. Comment. some of the IPs look like they're from the same people. Vacosea (talk) 19:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The protests directly led to the massacre, plus the fact that the massacre itself is more likely what comes to mind for most people when "Tiananmen Square in 1989" is brought up. GalaxyDoge72 (talk) 02:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose I believe the term "protest and conflicts" is relatively unknown for most people (except maybe for those in Mainland China). So, we need to either keep the existing title that already moved in 2021, or move the article into shorter title per WP:COMMONNAME as 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, as massacre is a major focal point of the event although protests also have some significance but received little attention than the main event on June 3 and 4. 2404:8000:1037:456:1117:8A1B:1FDD:E21E (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose. Stop denying history. PoisonHK Sapiens dominabitur astris 20:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose. It seems like the suggestion is meant to water down the event. It is a massacre by definition and the title should not be touched. rektz (talk) 07:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose and speedy close per WP:SNOW. - Amigao (talk) 16:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There is a missing link to Hu Yaobang's Wikipedia page.
There is no link to Hu Yaobang's Wikipedia page, it should link to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Yaobang

Edit: nevermind, Hu Yaobang is linked, but above. I think there should probably be a second link, as there is an area with "the left" and "the right", for easier navigation to both sides' leaders. 2A00:1EB8:C217:C51A:78CF:F79:4537:DC52 (talk) 19:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)