Talk:1992 Troy State vs. DeVry men's basketball game

Protected edit request on 15 March 2017
The score of the game was actually Troy 253 Devry 141. This is proved with plenty of evidence in this YouTube video on SB Nation: http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/14/14922480/troy-state-vs-devry-score-record Mazzocchi (talk) 14:16, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This article was protected because some guy who watched one YouTube video claims he knows the actual score. (a) That's not reliable and (b) the NCAA record book still acknowledges the final score as 258–141. This final score will not be changed unless/until the NCAA publicly issues a scoring error. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

To comment above: Wow. "Some guy" you are referring to is more credible than you will ever be. He devoted more time and evidence than needed to        "claim" he knows the actual score. Have a little more tact for someone that spends their time correcting mistakes.


 * While I agree that this "some guy" actually has a lot of credibility here, Wikipedia is reporting generally accepted knowledge, it is not the place to further new theories, however correct they may be. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

...well that makes this place kinda useless for knowledge then doesn't it? But then I already knew that, Wikipedia are liars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1480:2530:497B:3D64:1482:7E64 (talk) 12:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

It needs to be changed he re count the score BBobby2234 (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 17 March 2017
Instead of completely changing the score from 258-141 to 253-141, perhaps put a sometimes considered 253-141 under the score that is currently recognised. OkayishEditor (talk) 17:35, 17 March 2017 eta 1000
 * Padlock-bronze-open.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 03:23, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hatnote best way to indicate score discrepency?
I don't believe the hatnote is the best way to indicate the potential score discrepancy. Per WP:HAT, they're only used for disambiguation purposes. I do believe the score should be listed as 258–141, but that the discrepancy should be listed in the intro and probably with an asterisk in the infobox. I don't believe a video on SB Nation is necessarily a reliable source, but it carries more weight than if just a regular Wikipedian found the discrepancy, it could be considered WP:OR. — X96lee15 (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Is there a reason not to do this? It seems to me that it would resolve the dispute to use the phrase "official score" for 258–141, and to place an asterisk in the info box. It also seems unclear to me which criteria define an SB Nation video as not reliable--yes, its style of presentation is informal and it's not news reporting, but it's a documentary, it's published, it could be regarded as a secondary source (the video recording of the game is a primary source), and counting a basketball score is not abstruse. To me, it seems that the issue is in the nuance of language: to say that the score is 258–141 is to say that this is the final score according to NCAA rules, whereas to say it is 253–141 is to describe the cumulative events of the basketball game. The video does not contradict the former, but is it not the most reliable available source for the latter? Hence my support for the asterisk and the clarifying phrase "official score." 2601:801:480:17DA:91:D962:CFDC:8D6D (talk) 17:25, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Just FYI
Just thought i'd bring it to all of your attentions that DeVry University actually tweeted @jon_bois telling him that it was a great video. If no one else, DeVry's social media representatives agree with Jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.71.146 (talk) 03:59, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Interesting, but still not an official NCAA score correction. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Inconsistency
The score now reads 253, but in the article, the scoring table and the text both talk about "258". I think this should somehow be changed or at least commented. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

The true score of troy stae in this game was 253. The there were 2 errors made by the score keepers where they counted a 3 and a 2 that both didnt go in but the scorekeepers missed them. The footage of this event shows the official score should have been 253. Dalton.James.Farris (talk) 05:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2019
In the Aftermath section of the article, the incorrect score is posted for single-game points. The line "They also set single game records of points (253)" should be "They also set single game records of points (258)" Jonny Peverell (talk) 04:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 08:13, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2019
score is incorrect 2620:0:2820:2003:203B:BE3F:70ED:DC09 (talk) 08:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 14:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Arithmetic
Am I missing some-thing? "only three total free throws were attempted between the teams (Troy attempted, and made, all three).[6] DeVry's Clayton Jones had 19 of the Hoyas' 44 turnovers by himself, while DeVry's Dartez Daniel scored a game-high 42 points on 20-for-30 shooting.[6]" - So Daniel made 20 two-pointers (40 points), and Troy made all the free throws. Where did Daniel's other two points come from? Kdammers (talk) 15:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Who said his 20 made baskets were 2 points each? The box score clearly show he made two three point shots. (18*2) + (2*3) = 42 points on 20 made shots — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.101.168.83 (talk) 22:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2019
The Troy State score, as recommended by other editors and proven many times by the likes of SB Nation's Jon Bois as well as others, should be changed to 253. There is absolutely no logical reason it should stay 258. Honestly I am surprised the NCAA hasn't released a scorijg update yet considering how much time and proof has gone into this. ProgrammerPlays (talk) 15:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌. Official score is 258.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 02:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2019
Change the final score of Troy State to 253, as a continuous video analysis has proven it wrong, as stated elsewhere in the article. Triinkett (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 13:04, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

The score needs to be changed to 253. The score keepers counted 2 shots that actually missed (a 2 and a 3 respectively) Dalton.James.Farris (talk) 05:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


 * If the scorekeepers counted it, then the score is 258. 2001:1C00:D1D:6800:8455:B490:937F:62BC (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2020
Change Troy States score from 258 to 253. 2601:8C2:8280:5950:7CC2:2203:D953:19C9 (talk) 18:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See above.  JTP (talk • contribs) 19:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2021
troy st.-253 DeVry-141 2604:2D80:4983:A400:1C70:AD16:522B:1979 (talk) 22:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: see above. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 04:03, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

DeVry
Did DeVry set a record for highest score for a losing team? Kdammers (talk) 21:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find a smoking gun to confirm it but I've gotta think it is, yes. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

No, it is not. I’m not sure if this is the record either, but in the Loyola team which inspired Troy’s high-speed offense and whose total point record the Devry-Troy game broke, the losing team scored 150. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:5001:4480:0:0:0:9A6D (talk) 21:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2022
Troy University record of 109 3 pt attempts has since been beat by the Division III team Grinnell in their game against Emmaus Bible College in which all 111 shot attempts made by Grinnell were 3 pt attempts.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/all-111-shots-by-divisi/ Scdennis99 (talk) 23:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Update made. Thank you for pointing this out. SportsGuy789 (talk) 03:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "and their 109 three-point attempts record has never been seriously contested. "
 * Is still in the main body. BillTheCatt (talk) 03:01, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:48, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Add score discrepancy in introduction?
I’m just wondering what the consensus might be with regards to adding the score discrepancy based on the video evidence of the game (as popularly noted and analyzed by Jon Bois for SBNation) into the introduction of the article in addition to its subheading later on. My argument would be: because this game is notable arguably solely because of the score, a discrepancy in the actual vs official score should be included in its introduction so it could be seen by those getting just the basic information about this game. I would imagine it would make the most sense to be at the end of the introductory paragraph, just a single sentence saying “A 2017 video by Jon Bois showed the score to be 253-141 through analyzing the game’s footage, though the official boxscore remains unchanged[citations].” Therydog100 (talk) 20:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)