Talk:1st & Ten (graphics system)

Bugs?
have there been times when it messes up and puts the line through somebody, or something, when it shouldn't? the article says it's 'difficult' with, for example, the greenbay packers jerseys, but doesn't say if there have been live mistakes.. if there are, it would be great to have an image of it messing up. 131.111.8.99 11:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Licensing?
Wasnt there some issue about licensing fees and how expensive it was per game? I can't find the figure, but it might be nice to have on the page. Briguyd 20:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Genesis of the idea
Gary Morgenstern was quite definitely not the first to conceive of the idea of a virtually rendered first down line. The idea is documented as far back as the Crane patent which is over 20 years old. It was suggested to us by David Hill of Fox Sports during the time we were developing the hockey puck tracking system. I suspect David was unaware of the Crane patent at that time. After we spun off from News Corp to become Sportvision, we developed the system and pitched it to David Hill. He didn't feel the time was right for him, and ESPN ended up bringing the system to air first. ~ Rick C. Sportvision

Dead link
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 * http://www.sportvision.com/main_frames/products/1stand10line_works.htm
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--JeffGBot (talk) 12:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Guys, a question?
How come "they" couldn't use this technology to insert ads onto the field, track, or whatever ALL the time so you basically never have commercials. this also gets around commercial skipping dvrs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.16 (talk) 19:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably because they make more money with traditional commercials - they can get more people to watch those, since the game itself isn't going on. Libertyernie2 (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * In sports like American football and baseball, there are many official stoppages of play during the contest for administrative purposes (change of possession, end of quarter or inning, team time-outs, etc.). Filling these with commercials makes sense. In sports like soccer, with more-or-less continuous action and a running clock (stoppages only for goals, injuries, or to issue yellow or red cards, and even then mainly at the discretion of the referee), having on-screen graphics-based ads rather than going away to commercials makes more sense. 108.246.205.134 (talk) 16:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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--JeffGBot (talk) 12:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Article needs cleanup/formatting
184.175.2.46 (talk) 00:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Technology, product, corporation mish-mash
This article is presently a horrible mish-mash between describing a technology, a product, and a corporate narrative.

The closest I can make out is that this page should rightfully describe the product offering of Sportvision, which has a complex history, and has become somewhat iconic of the product category (and the technology employed).

Someone involved needs to grab a telestrator and sort this out. &mdash; MaxEnt 19:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


 * On a second pass, it's actually worse, because it also conflates broadcast policy and network preferences, which is a problem after the first line of the lead defines the scope of the technology as one that "generates and displays a yellow first down line". &mdash; MaxEnt 20:00, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Blue line of scrimmage
NFL2k (released 9.9.99 on Sega Dreamcast) had the blue line of scrimmage line in the game. As a kid, I only saw the yellow first down line on TV and as a former highschool lineman loved the concept of the blue line of scrimmage. A few years later it was in most NFL telecasts. I'm not sure if Visual Concepts (now the developer of NBA2k) created the blue line of scrimmage before the NFL adopted it or if it was used sparingly prior, especially since the yellow first down line came out in 1998. 67.58.225.39 (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)