Talk:2000-watt society

Units
2000 watts per what? year? hour? day? (Pardon my ignorance, but this is such a basic piece of info and should be prominent in the article, yet isn't stated anywhere as far as I can see; sorry, also don't have time to search for this myself.) Brockle 14:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Watt is Energy per Time (better: Joule per second). It is not Watt-hour or other energy units. Cate |Talk 15:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * i.e. 2,000 watts = 7,200,000 joules/hour Gralo 16:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you guys, I read this article too, and was like, uhhhh, help? Perhaps if someone who understood that (units) could through it out there when they had time, that would be excellent. Wayfarer 16:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Just revised the intro to include a comparison to kilowatt-hours. Hope that might help... Gralo 17:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Would it help if someone added that 2000 watts is equivalent to 2kWh per hour? Dilaudid (talk) 08:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

What we are addressing here is an equivalent, average total energy consumption number, expressed in electric terms. The 2000 watts level here is equivalent to twenty 100 watt light bulbs burning continuously. Watts times Hours equals Watt-Hours divided by 1000 equals KWHr

2000 Watts equals 2KWhr per Hour.

The key issue here is that we are not discussing energy use at any particular time, but the average for a whole year. And not just in the home, but all the energy use by the whole society, divided by the population size. -69.87.204.203 (talk)

Very interesting approach and very hopeful for the planet. People need to be conscious about their own energy consumption. The 2000 watt could be a start, but maybe it should be better related to fuel comsumption (i.e. a 50 liter fuel tank; how many watts is it ?; i.e. translate my home electrical energy consumption in fuel liters; i.e. how many 50-liter-tank I spend as an airline 1xpassenger to travel on vacation from Europe to Caribean ??). Also this energy meassure system needs to be linked to family planning meassures and countries population control, otherwise countries like Chine or India would be allowed to a huge energy consumption. Another point is to differenciate the source of the 2000 watts, dirty energy or renewable one. GRA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.33.2.101 (talk) 15:55, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Contradiction with List of countries by electricity consumption
This article doesn't match well with this oneList_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption, seems the Swiss already use less than 2000 watts per person. --71.7.172.240 (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I almost made the same objection, but then I noticed that, while the Swiss use less than 2000 watts electricity per person, the 2000-watt society is about overall energy consumption. The swiss use 4952.4 watts total. See list of countries by energy consumption per capita. -- Waveguy (talk) 20:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

New Yorker Article a reputable source?
The number "12,000W" comes from a single New Yorker article. Is that a valid reference?

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licentious energy consumption far beyond aspiration of sustainability
A recently published article at http://www.empa.ch/plugin/template/empa/3/136315/---/l=2, reporting the current status of the 2000-watt society project for Switzerland, reveals it is far beyond a "...Long Way to Sustainability", closer to licentious energy consumption.

We just received our energy bill for the months of March and April 2013 here in Southern Finland where we live, and have enjoyed a much snowier winter than usual for the past 18 years we have lived here, with fewest hours of sunshine in 50 years.

Our bill shows we, a couple living comfortably in a townhouse (100 sq. m) of a suburban/rural community, consumed an average of 245 kWh (123 kWh/person) of electricity per month, for the two months specified. That is roughly one third (1/3) of the 360 kWh target of the 2000-watt society, assuming the distribution of consumption by the Swiss cohort continues with one quarter of energy going towards electricity.

If we are to have even a hope of achieving sustainability, we must at least recognize the truth of the licentious Western norm of modern lifestyle and consumption, just as it is true that the society of the United States obviously does not care. Kdarwish1 (talk) 06:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC) test feedKdarwish1 (talk) 04:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Topic confusion
This article is about limiting energy consumption. There are many references to where that energy comes from which is off topic. eg: electricity generation from renewable energy sources, and vehicles using natural gas, hydrogen and biogas. The use of renewable energy sources, microgeneration and related technologies. In the See Also - Low-carbon economy Carbon footprint Peak oil Making Sweden an Oil-Free Society Avoiding dangerous climate change Conversely more info about possible ways for people to reduce their consumption would be welcome. Dougmcdonell (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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