Talk:2002 Winter Olympics/Archive 1

Participating NOCs
Don't know if there is a site that features all SLC's participating nations, but I've updated the currently blank section with all medal winning nations as a start. Are Wiki's national codes different to the IOC 3-letter codes? doktorb 08:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

China, PR is missing in participating countries.

Medal award updates
Shouldn't someone do some updated based on recent events? Medals were taken away from some people. I know Canada's Becky Scott has gone from winning Bronze to winning Gold as of yesterday due to drug problems with the gold and silver medal winners. - User: Earl Andrew December 19, 2003 20:27 (UTC)


 * Will do, just haven't gotten around to it yet :-). I think I made some preliminary notes in the cross-country skiing subpage. Scott and quite a few others got their well-deserved (higher-valor) medals roughly two years after the award ceremonies proper... --Wernher 03:42, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * So there, now the numbers should be correct per the IOC's own updated table. I also added some explanations (of the slightly confusing step-wise re-awardment process) to the updated result lists on the cross-country skiing subpage. --Wernher 23:40, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

medal standings are incorrect ,check web

Yeah Russia only had about 13, it was not ahead of Canada.--Vancouver123 03:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Well I give up, can only update the metal count so many times... --i 7 s 04:45, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Protection, finally
Thanks for protecting it. Same thing should happen with 2002 Winter Olympics medal count because the same user changes the medal table all the time there. Something that needs to happen with the medal tables is that russia got medals taken away because of doping (not sure about the exact circumstances), and it is reflected in the offial IOC webpage medal count. The link for that is below the table in 2002 Winter Olympics medal count. So is there an administrator who can take care of that please? Thanks, BigBen212 18:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Pairs figure skating judging scandal
Am I the only one who thinks it could use a separate article?Ranma9617 07:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I came here looking for more information about it. I'm surprised it isn't covered in more detail.  From what I remember it was a pretty big scandal.  Man those Canadians knew how to skate!  — orion  eight  (talk) 04:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It could definitely use a separate article, linked from this page (just like the bid scandal) with more detail. Go for it. -- Jonel | Speak 05:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, I've placed an article request for this topic...Ranma9617 07:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Your red link is to "2006 Olympic Winter Games..." Did you make the request for the correct year? SpellcheckW7 (talk) 18:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Image change?
Can someone upload the logo for this instead of the picture of the stadium? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RaynorKAP (talk • contribs) 03:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Short Track Controversy
About Ohno... shouldn't we add that as well? RageAgainstTheWikiMachine (Pen name of Mydoctor93) 12:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Host country controversy?
Why no mention of the controversy of the games being held in the U.S.A. to begin with? It's my understanding that countries who are at war cannot host the Olympic Games, and the U.S.A. was at war with Afghanistan at the time. (Not to mention, they still are....) — NRen2k5 (TALK), 14:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There was very little controversy of the games being held in the United States to begin with, perhaps with the exception of some left wing fringe groups. The United States has a right to be in Afghanistan because on 9/11 the United States was attacked by terrorists that were trained in Afghanistan by Osama Bin Laden, who planned the attacks against the United States that killed over 3000 innocent American citizens, as well as many more from other countries. Almost all NATO nations supported the war in Afghanistan (do not confuse the war in Afghanistan with the war in Iraq). Second, China recently hosted the Summer Olympics and they have a long list of human rights violations against the people of Tibet, which received worldwide media coverage and dozens of heads of state refused to attend the opening ceremonies to make a statement, so it’s ironic that you would protest the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics in the Untied States over the recent summer Olympics in China. Simply because you have a prejudice against U.S. foreign policy, does not mean you can inject your political beliefs into the article. The relevant controversy has already been covered in the article. Please see NPOV Aurora30 (talk) 13:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but a war is a war, even if it's a just war. Phil Bastian (talk) 22:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Is there a source for the claim that a nation at war cannot host the Olympics? I've been looking and the closest I can find anywhere is the tradition of ceasing hostilities during the Ancient Olympic Games, which of course does not apply to the modern Olympic games, as was made clear last year during the 2008 South Ossetia War. SpudHawg948 (talk) 09:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Corruption and bid scandal
One of the highlights and lasting implications of the SLC Olympics, whether we like it or not, was that it entailed large-scale corruption by bid leaders (Welch and Johnson) and bribe-taking by IOC members. At the very least, this should figure in the introduction, which otherwise comes out as a whitewash.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Dead link
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Opening ceremony 'controversy'
This section currently contains the lines: "While there was a lot of international sympathy for the US in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, there were complaints that the Games were being conducted in an overtly patriotic manner. President Bush received some criticism for departing from the Olympic charter by extending the declaration to open the Games, saying “On behalf of a proud, determined and grateful nation” before the traditional formula, “I declare open the Games of Salt Lake City”.[28] In addition, the President opened the games standing among the US athletes, while previous heads of state opened the games from an official box."

Does this really belong here? If you follow the only source provided, you see that 'some criticism' means complaints from two anonymous members of the IOC. I'm not sure that's really terribly significant in the context of history. Robofish (talk) 18:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Documents
"Olympic Records and Documents" Talk on this paragraph "In the wake of Mitt Romney running for the 2012 presidential election, information came forward concerning the Salt Lake Organizing Committee (SLOC) documents and records about Mitt Romney, stating that certain documents such as Romeny's correspondence and appointment calenders were destroyed by SLOC before the records were donated for archiving to the J. Willard Marriott Library[28]" A few things about this paragraph. First it does not seem to be a concern or controversy that is notable enough to be included. Putting that aside. The article never says that Romney's Correspondence and appointment calendars were destroyed by SLOC. It says they probably were. In addition the way it is written is not a Neutral POV since it looks like only Romney's correspondence was not included in the archives, however the article makes it clear that a lot was not included, including legally privileged or confidential reasons was not archived, including contracts with vendors and personnel records. Finally just by including that SLOC made the decision of what stayed and what went implies Romney made that decision, which according to the article he was gone by then and the decisions were made by the General Legal counsel of the games. It seems the only reason to include this paragraph is to make it look as though Romney did something unethical, and that he was trying to hide something. I believe based on Neutral POV, not notable and not actually stating what the article really says: this paragraph should be removed. Viewmont Viking (talk) 00:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Material by MV8282
I have re-added much of the material that MV8282 removed. I have also added a citation to the information that I have re-added. We had a bold edit by MV, I have now reverted with citations, so here is the discussion. No reason was mentioned why this was removed, so if you think it should not be in the article please discuss. Viewmont Viking (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for the bold edit. I am new to Wikipedia and I failed to follow the proper etiquette. I've reviewed the pages concerning proper conduct provided by Wikipedia and considering this I should have discussed the issue first before arbitrarily removing. Thank you for including the cite, though personally I feel, except for the first line, the entire section is either unnecessary for this article, redundant or could be moved to the 2002 Winter Olympic bid scandal article linked on that section. MV8282 (talk) 20:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No need to apologize, WP:BRD is just that. While it is always good to bring things to talk pages it is not always necessary. Welcome to Wikipedia I hope your editing here is enjoyable.  I too am fairly new.  I understand this is what the senior editors call the silly season.  Which just means the election.  Anything that can be viewed as political edits will be scrutinized.  Removing information about Romney's turnaround of the Olympics is one of those items.  While this information is included in the 2002 Winter Olympic bid scandal page to me this is a good summary of what occurred without going into too much detail. Which is appropriate for the article.  As you noticed while there are policies concerning what can be included in articles, a lot of it is people's thoughts, feelings or just wanting to push a Point of View.  Again welcome, I have left some information on your talk page as well. Viewmont Viking (talk) 12:26, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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