Talk:2004 United States presidential election in New York

Westchester, Rockland, Nassau, Suffolk
In the current article it is said that four above counties are traditionally republican. Long Island if anything is slightly more republican than Westchester and Rockland. But that section is not fact based it is opinion based and it is just assumming what was running through the minds of voters. Westchester has been going democratic for a long time.

New York's suburban areas (here, Long Island, Westchester and Rockland counties): Traditionally Republican, this area went clearly Democratic through the past few decades, with the arrival of people from New York City. However, in this area where many voters commute to Manhattan, Bush did better than expected. Although he clearly lost these counties to Gore in 2000 with 39.55% to 56.42%, or 655,665 votes to 935,456, he only lost them by a close 46.13% to 52.30% to Kerry. While Bush won 167,397 more votes than in 2000, Kerry lost 2,437. This can be mainly explained by the concerns of suburban moderate voters about terrorism, an issue about which they trusted Bush more than Kerry.


 * Westchester and Nassau have been going Democratic for the same period of time. Both have voted Democratic in every election from 1992 on. Before that, Nassau and Westchester both voted Democratic only twice in the 20th century each, in the same two elections: 1912 and 1964. In 1940, Wendell Willkie netted more vote out of Westchester County than out of any other county in the country. In 1948, if either Westchester or Nassau County had cast no vote, Truman would have carried New York State instead of Dewey. Toadmore (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Upstate Election Results
This article previously stated that President Bush managed to win Upstate New York. Upon reviewing the election results I discovered this to be incorrect.

Subtracting the five counties of New York City (Bronx, Kings, New York, Queens and Richmond) from the vote total leaves Senator Kerry with 2,486,265 votes to 2,375,033 for President Bush. Going further and subtracting Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk counties) as well as Rockland county and Westchester country leaves Senator Kerry with 1,553,246 votes to 1,551,971 votes for President Bush. A margin of 1,275 votes.

If you double check the results from my source you will find this to be the case. Remember that you need to include the vote totals from the Conservative Party for Bush and the Working Families Party for Kerry because of New York State's Electoral fusion laws.

Source: http://www.elections.state.ny.us/elections/2004/president04.pdf from The NYS Board of Elections, Election results


 * My source was uselectionatlas.org--Revas 20:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, maybe they (uselectionatlas.org) use a different methodology? The NYS Board of Elections only considers the five counties of NYC to be separate.  I had to manually subtract out Long Island.  Then I pulled out Rockland and Westchester counties to bring it into line with Wikipedia's definition of Upstate New York.  If you looked at different combos of counties you could give a victory to either one of them -- it seemed best to go with the more accepted standard of Upstate. --Tchaika 14:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * You are right. I checked with uselectionatlas.org sources, and Kerry v. Bush with a slim margin in Upstate New York. I should learn maths. Thanks for correcting me. --Revas 16:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

townships
i want to find a breakdown of voting by ny townships (which are subsets of counties). where might i find such information? Kingturtle 15:30, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Rockland County discrepancy
Under 'geographic analysis', the article says: 'As of the 2016 presidential election, this is the last election in which Rockland and Dutchess counties voted for the Republican candidate.' However, under 'Results breakdown', Rockland is shaded in blue, with Kerry credited with 47.60% (62,391 votes) and Bush credited with 46.93% (61,510 votes).

The Wikipedia page for [|Rockland County] itself has Bush winning the county, 49.6% (65,130)-48.9% (64,191). It has a source link to David Leip's presidential election atlas. The county results table here doesn't seem to have a source. (I don't know what's going on at the moment for the Rockland County national results entry for 2016; it has Trump carrying the county, which I don't think he did, but the raw vote results are in parentheses.) Toadmore (talk) 19:43, 14 February 2020 (UTC)