Talk:2004 United States presidential election in Ohio

Merge "controversies" article
It seems as if the content of both of these articles should be in one place, preferably here, since this seems to be the "main" article discussing the 2004 Election in Ohio. --tomf688 (talk - email) 22:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think perhaps the article should instead/also be merged 'back' to the main irregularities article, 2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy_and_irregularities. Thoughts? -- User:RyanFreisling @ 13:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's fine with me. However, I think this article should at least have a subheading with a few paragraphs devoted to the controversy along with a link to the main article. --tomf688 (talk - email) 22:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I originally created this and the florida article back when we had only one gi-normous article. My intent was to find a way to split up the content. into subarticles.  now we have the machines-suppression-polls-legal actions break down which seems to work pretty well.  I was actually hoping these articles would be deleted in the vfds, but i think merge is actually more ideal.  this article predominately deals with vote suppression.  it's actully very similiar to that article.  i suggest merging this and florida into 2004 United States presidential election controversy, vote suppression.  I'm fine with the idea of a subheading and a few paragraphs, with a link. Kevin Baastalk 17:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, This article is part of the serie "United States presidential election, by state". Almost all other states have their own article, and it would be a non sens to merge this one into an other one. I don't believe it would be a good idea either to merge 2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio into this article. Instead, i think we sould have a new have a subheading in this article with a few paragraphs devoted to the controversy along with a link to the main 2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio. --Revas 18:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * To make sure there's no confusion: I suggested merging 2004 United States election voting controversies, Florida and 2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio into 2004 United States presidential election controversy, vote suppression. In any case, we all seem to agree that there should be a subheading and a few short paragraphs on this page, w/an appropriate link. Kevin Baastalk 18:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, one could do the reverse and split/merge 2004 United States presidential election controversy, vote suppression into 2004 United States election voting controversies, Florida and 2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio. I never liked the redundancy. Kevin Baastalk 18:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, i misunderstood, sorry, my English sucks...--Revas 18:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it's my fault, and it's my bad english. I didn't suggest - i meant to suggest.  I thought this was the talk page for the irregularities article when i wrote that.  Let's start on a draft for the section and link in this article. Kevin Baastalk 18:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Draft controversy section
During the 2004 U.S. presidential election, there were many problems with the election process in Ohio, including missing and uncounted votes; machine malfunctions; machine shortages; machine mis-voting; and anomalous statistical discrepancies in vote tabulations, such as more votes than voters. Statistical analysis of the demographic distribution of these problems and how strongly, in the aggregate, they favored one candidate over another, have led some critics, authors, statisticians, politicians, and concerned citizens to suspect coordinated election fraud throughout the state.