Talk:2005–06 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season

Monthly Events Archive: September-January (05-06) | January-April

Um, this needs a 'To do' list
So I'll start. I uploaded new images for most of the storms in the list. If those storms with the 'R' suffix and 'F' suffix are supposed to be expanded, I will try to find more for them too. Why are the tropical lows included?

Next thing before this article needs before it is split are track maps and infoboxes. I can't do the track maps on my computer, I don't know if the templates are set up for these types of storms, and I don't know whether the wind speeds I looked at are 10 minute averages or 1 minute averages. Good kitty 22:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The naming system on these cyclones is extremely confusing. Does Australia assign its own numbers before using a name or is it part of the numbering scheme that ends with 'S'? I was conflicted on whether to put "Tropical Cyclone" or "Tropical Depression" on some of these. I know TD is correct, but they are often equivalent to "Tropical Storm" on the SSS scale (I used the 1-minute averages on all of these). Feel free to correct the names on some of those. I can't find parameters on the templates that fit. Good kitty 17:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Australia does not assign any numbers before using a name for a cyclone. RaNdOm26 06:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone may have noticed this, but....
Why are there northern hemisphere tropical cyclone symbols next to southern hemisphere tropical cyclones?! Thegreatdr 01:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed. – Chacor 01:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a reverse of that image. They were just there as a reminder that this page and every S. Hemisphere season page except one is very incomplete. I gave it a try, but even the naming conventions are really messed up so I quit there. This also needs track maps but only three people can make those. Good kitty 03:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

BoM BT data added
I've updated things based on the BT which was released a while ago. Larry and Monica are the only TCs not to have a BT released yet though. P.K. 17:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, you might have to change all of that back (the infobox categories that is). The infoboxes are only compatible with the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane scale, so each storm's category is determined by 1-minute averages provided by the JTWC. You can use the BoM data under the intensity fields, though. Good kitty 07:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The SS scale and one minute winds are completely irrelevant for Aus TCs. All the categories in the infoboxes are the proper Aus ones based on the BT data. P.K. 15:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not what I mean. The small infobox template is only compatible with the SS scale, which is determined by the 1-minute average of sustained winds. The colors for small infoboxes and track maps are the same throughout the project, regardless of the basin. The tropical cyclone scales article is of limited help with this. I haven't looked at the BoM data, but I believe they use average wind gusts, and the five categories are not the same as the five categories used in the small infobox template.


 * Maybe the BoM data could be used in the intensity fields using knots or km/h. The WTCP discussion for that and the exact names to be used in the articles has never been finished. The infoboxes will have to go back to using JTWC 1-minute averages because there are no other scales to use with the template other than the SS hurricane scale. Good kitty 22:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone needs to change the Aus infoboxes to link to the proper Aus scale then. I'm not going to spend time on here updating stuff to the proper data going through the final best track files if people just change it back to unofficial stuff. Anyone from Australia looking at it, and I'm sure they do, will think of Aus categories when looking at Aus storms. The SS scale is not the tropical cyclone scale as it were, just used by a couple of RSMCs. Suggesting basing these category numbers on a one minute average is like me suggesting using ten minute averages for the categories in the N Atlantic pages which I won't.

I posted the sustained conversions from the gusts to http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=90819 so it is pretty easy to get the category from the sustained speed. P.K. 00:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

When I use Wikipedia for cyclones I am actually after info for the basin it is. I.e Just say I do a search for Tropical Cyclone Ada or Althea of the 1970s I am actually after a category that is meaningful i.e the category on the Australian Scale. The SS scale does not mean much to me since australian cyclones are not based on SS scale. The only time I use SS scale is with North Atlantic and NE Pacific Oceans as far west as 180W AussieMark 00:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It should, but I have no idea how to rewrite the template. Australia's the only other warning center with a scale, so my idea would be to remove the category field from Aus TCs so that the box reverts to the gray TC abbreviation in the corner.


 * If Australia's scale is ever implemented in the templates it will likely have its own set of colors because the white-red scale is also used in the track maps and is consitent with all TCs. Good kitty 18:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

That is the thing though, most basins do have scales. Ok so a few don't have more categories once it reaches 64kts but the others do. I don't like this forcing of a USA one minute average onto all these storms globally when the global practice is to use a ten minute average and these basins already have scales! If anything was to be forced I think the NOAA basin infoboxes should be ten minute averages to be in line with the rest of the world. The WMO manual on observations even only refers to a one minute "average" as a "long gust" which I agree with.

I've not looked at the track map colours but would hope they are ten minute averges at least for these basins. I notice TC Isobel has been incorrectly changed to a TS in the current season page. Not true, it was definitely a cat 1. P.K. 13:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The other scales indicate a storm's strength through naming. The SS-scale is Western-hemisphere centric (remember that all countries in the North Atlantic and NE Pacific use this), but there's no way to get rid of it without losing measurable ways to compare cyclones from across the world. Austalia's the only country with a numbered scale of its own. It should be included with each cyclone, but in addition to the correct naming and intensity on SS scale. This point should be brought up on the WTCP talk page because we don't even have a "current storm" template to use for the Southern Hemisphere. Good kitty 07:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)