Talk:2006 FIFA World Cup final positions

Original reasearch
Points are not awarded for knockout games.

Not an original research
Dear Jooler: I think that the link to this article in 2006 FIFA World Cup should not be removed. If you do not aggree with this table, you could make an alternative table in wich knockout games don't award points (both tables could be showed in this very page).

IN ANY CASE, THE TABLE OF FINAL POSITIONS CANNOT BE CATALOGUED AS ORIGINAL RESEARCH since it is based only in the final results of the matches.

Please, let's discuss and let's try to understand the other's opinions instead of entering in a war of editions. Sebasbronzini


 * Knockout games are not awarded points - any arbitrary allocation of points, or tally based on such is original research. Jooler 09:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about THE TABLE ITSELF, not about the text Sebasbronzini.


 * The table shows Italy with 17 points etc.. Jooler 10:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that there should be an option less drastic than deleting links. For example, we could write 2 tables according to 2 different criteria, or we could change the textt. Whatr is unquestionable is that FIFA does make tables of final positions. Sebasbronzini
 * Your criteria for ordering the teams is original research. FIFA has published no such list for this tournament. Using different criteria the teams could be ordered differently. The presentation of this table constitutes original research. Jooler 10:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Although this is not the point in discussion, I tell you that I didn't write the table: I just copied it from an old version of 2006 FIFA World Cup.
 * And it was removed from there for the same reason. Jooler 10:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My point here is that the problem you are appointing should be solved without the need of deleting the link altogether. Sebasbronzini
 * Solve it then if you think you can. Jooler 10:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you see this article? 2006 FIFA World Cup seeding Or this link? ] I insist: this demonstrated that FIFA does use tables of final positions; therefore, why not to include a table of final positions in Wikipedia? If we don't like this table, let's write another, or more than one. In any case, if final positions are important for FIFA, I think that final positions should be important for Wikipedia. Sebasbronzini


 * It's not the same at all. Those who didn't make it past the first round are all given the same rating and it doesn't not show the criteria used to order the teams. These is no ordered table presented in the way it is here totting up non-existant points, yet again the awarding of points for knockout games is nosensical - ther was no chance of a draw. Jooler 10:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Sebasbronzini
 * Excuse me, Jooler, I have to go now. I do not aggree with you, but anyway, if I can make the time, I'll try to solve this problem later... But I don't promise anyting...