Talk:2006 Platte Canyon High School hostage crisis

Siege?
I think siege is a little over-dramatic. --  tariq abjotu  02:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps incident or hostage incident would be a better term, seeing as it does not technically count as a massacre or a siege. I did not name the article. &mdash; Webdinger BLAH 03:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Grazon moved it to Platte Canyon High School Shooting, and I revised the article title as per WP:NAME. &mdash; Webdinger BLAH 03:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

"Shooter" section
I don't want to turn this into an edit war. Recently Grazon has been making several edits adding a new section "The Shooter" with information about the hostage-taker. This information is already emphasized twice in the article, and I believe that this short of a section is not needed at least until more evidence is acquired regarding the hostage-taker. The information about the man presented in the introduction and in the sections following are sufficient in explaining his appearance and nature. Before I remove it, I will ask the opinion of editors currently thinking about editing the article. &mdash; Webdinger BLAH 03:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Where exactly is it stated that the shooter was 35? I thought his identity was unknown (or at least unreleased to the public)...oh, and who the hell calls a backpack a 'rucksack' (aside from the BBC World News)? -Grammaticus Repairo 06:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The US Army field pack is commonly referred to as a rucksack or ruck. I really don't hear the term in common useage otherwise. -Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Spelling of the shooter's name seems to be contested. Duane R. Morrison is that used by the Denver post among other new media.  Dwayne Morrison, is currently used in this article.  Someone please find the correct spelling, cite an authoritative source, and correct mispellings!Az7997 17:24, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Victim
Interesting Trivia: The Victim is also on the track team which took 1st place in some of the meets held this year: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:nFk-bRt8JUYJ:www.directathletics.com/athletes/track/573633.html+%22Emily+Keyes%22+colorado&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sakamura (talk • contribs)

The girl who was fatally shot was 16-year-old Emily Keyes. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4407535 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Craig (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks. I added a reference to the linked article. &mdash; Webdinger BLAH 05:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Self-referential humour? Emily Kayes refers back to the originating article... InvertRect 02:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Criminal's name
The Park Co. Sheriff has named the shooter as "Duane R. Morrison" (not Dwayne as originally reported). I have put in pipes to correctly name him in the article (but leave the link to the Dwayne article). I have also requested at WP:AN an admin move of the Dwayne article to its corrected title of Duane R. Morrison. Unfortunately, an established article at that title requires admin assistance to avoid any messiness of page moves. ju66l3r 17:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * As per the suggestion on the Noticeboard, I have merged the Duane/Dwayne articles and finished fixing the links in this article to his rightful location at Duane R. Morrison. ju66l3r 18:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Intro
In the intro it says "He was initially reported as a bearded 35-year-old man with a camouflage backpack[2] and wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt[3] who had taken six female students as hostages and released four of them while keeping the other two.", is this the entire initial report or just the mans description? I think this needs some clarification —Preceding unsigned comment added by XHPrime (talk • contribs)


 * No, the references point to news stories that in turn cite the police reports that have been released. It is just the man's description, but the information regarding more about his appearance can be found at Duane R. Morrison. &mdash; Webdinger BLAH 21:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Backpack Contents
I heard today on fox news the backpack was fileld with sex toys? Any confirmation on this 65.126.173.217 01:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps if you had a reputable news source online. &mdash; † Webdinger BLAH 03:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Please reference before adding material!
I would like to stress that if you plan to add information to this article, please offer a reference so that all information is verifiable. For more information, see WP:REF. Thanks. &mdash; † Webdinger BLAH 04:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Molestation & Cassidy Grigg
I added some information about the sexual assault as stated by Lynna Long who is reported to be one of the six hostages, as well as Sheriff Wegener’s statement that all the girls were molested. Sources CNN & WBBM sited. Others availabe.

I’ve removed the Cassidy Grigg comments. He was not there, and there is no reason to include his comments, and then the comments his mother made about him lying, when there are statements from the sheriff and one of the hostages. No reason to leave it in there as there are other statements that provide the same info accurately, without having to point out Mr. Grigg & his mother.

Removed redundancy in negotiation section about the sexual assault as it was already covered earlier; because the sheriff has made statements regarding the assault, so the knowledgeable source is known; and because it doesn’t have much to do with the negotiations. 146.129.249.238 20:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * doh! that was me. Forgot to sign in Mefanch 22:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

See Also section
Can we please figure out what to put in the see also section? There are many school shootings that have occurred and will probably continue to occur, so what needs to be in there and what doesn't? Metros232 02:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would guess the 2 others that happened within less then a week and the recent Canada one as these are generally associated together due to their close proximity in time to each other. Probably also Columbine since that appears to be the epitome of school shootings by the media (not just in the US either) and the Ecole as that also targeted females (even if for completely different reasons). Also I don't particularly see any reason to link to the Platte Canyon High School page in see also. That's why we have wikilinks in the article... Nil Einne 05:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Intro and "One of the remaining hostages was shot"
The intro was a little confusing. I think it would be a little more clear if we added "One of the remaining hostages was shot by Morrison during a SWAT team raid" or something like that to clarify the situation. Thoughts?--Andrew c 18:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

EmilyKeyes.com
I had removed this link as it was down and a Google cache didn't show anything that interesting so I assumed it was probably spam and I neglected to do a whois. However a whois reveals it is in fact register to her father since 2001. It has understadibly been taken down and may or may not reappear as a memorial or whatever. However in the mean time, I personally feel we should leave it but I won't re-add it if someone removes it. Nil Einne 05:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked it, the website had a short memorial poem written by a friend and a short explenation for her dad that he bought all the domains back in 01 for all his kids, and that it will be an online memorial to her.. My guess is that it has gotten so much traffic it went over whatever bandwith it had alloted.  I know friends of Emily, and they are still in shock.   My guess is the family either doesn't know the website is down, or they are worried about other things at the moment.  As soon as I see it come back online I can readd the link.. No reason to have a link to a dead page at the moment.  EnsRedShirt 15:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But why should it be readded? Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a memorial.  I don't see what value it provides to us to have a link to a memorial site for her.  The article is on the shooting, not on Emily Keyes.  If there was one on her, then I'd say sure it's probably applicable, but in this case, I'm not convinced it belongs here. Metros232 15:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added the link back, as well as a link to The "I love U guys" Foundation. While it may not be appropriate for the Platte Canyon High School shooting, it is appropriate for the Emily Keyes page, and since it happens to redirect to THIS page, then it seems absolutely appropriate. Csbodine 06:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason she doesn't have an article (and that her name redirects here instead) is because she is not notable. She is just a victim of a crime.  Other articles on shootings, hostage situations, and other crimes do not list memorial sites.  The point of external links is to provide depth to the article.  As WP:EL states of what can be linked to:
 * Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article.
 * From these sites, I don't see a neutral point of view presented. Metros232 13:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to support Metros232 and others abiding by WP policies and guidelines here. If the memorial sites actually contain anything notable that is not yet in the article, please consider using them as sources first. Otherwise, they do not seem appropriate for inclusion as external links, per what was said above. Bravada, talk - 00:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"His phone"
I changed the part under "Negotians..." where it said Mr. Keyes used a reporter's phone to text message Emily. He in fact used his own. I am new to Wikipedia and will register...sometime (hopefully soon) but i was anxious to get to bed when i fixed that and didn't properly cite my sources. Here are several and thanks to everyone for being kind to the newbie about this!

CBS11tv.com: 

Cbs4denver.com: 

rockymountainnews.com: 

These are just a few sources and are admittedly a bit biased toward Denver and CBS, but they are all accurate, reliable and legit. In addition the Dateline NBC on 10/7/06 (i think - i have it Tivoed but that doesn't help much here does it?) showed Mr. Keyes holding his phone with the text messages in it and showing them to Meredith Viera.

Though it is irrelevent, Emily Keyes was a personal friend of mine and I really care about this wikipedia page. Any advice all you more experinced members could give me for further bettering my edits or this edit or this page would be great! Thanks again!

P.S. it wants me to sign my edit using four tildes, what does that mean? I'm a bit confused. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.56.247.123 (talk) 05:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC).


 * I am the one who made the "His phone edit." Like i planned, I got an account with Wikipedia. I'll change things when I have personal knowledge, but my pizza was delivered a few toppings short so we'll see what that really amounts to :). My new username is Remember Emily so if you would like to advise me with stuff or whatnot i assume you know where to find me (wish i could say the same for myself).

RememberEmily 02:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, RememberEmily, welcome to Wikipedia. You said that you'd "change things when I have personal knowledge," but I'm not sure if that's advisable or not. You might want to check out Verifiability before editing too much with your personal experiences. Thanks, and again, welcome! ;) &mdash; † Webdinger BLAH 23:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I suppose I meant to note that one cannot recognize things that need to be changed (like the his phone" business) without some personal knowledge of that subject and that I will change what I can not what I have mere personal experience regarding. Sorry for the confusion. :)RememberEmily 18:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

GA review &mdash; kept
This article has been reviewed as part of WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, Ruslik 13:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I think that Duane R. Morrison should be redirected here. No merging is needed; there is absolutely no information in that article that isn't already present in this article. A separate biography for this person appears to be unnecessary. Although the crime may be notable, that doesn't automatically make the criminal notable. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)