Talk:2006 Super 14 season

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I see some attendace figures have been added. Could you please link the site where you pulled these figures from under extrenal links or what ever is at the bottom of the page. Cheers, -- HamedogTalk 08:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Odds table
I was wondering if the section at the start about the odds to win the tournament should be put in a section or in a small table showing the top four to win the tournament? Lummie 03:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems to work pretty well now that the table includes current points and standings. Perhaps the title should be changed? Lisiate 20:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * are you sure that Odds, betting and so on should be in an encyclopedia ? I think that it should be deleted, it would be interesting to know what other contributors think about that. Dingy 09:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The reason the table was put in was because people kept updating the odds on the front page. Primarily the odds gave people who looked up the page an idea of the best teams and in a way the form of the team. As for the whether its needed, many pages related to sports events commonly use odds as a way for people to gauge who is favourite to win. I remember people kept updating the Super Bowl page this year with the odds of who was going to win. Lummie 11:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I am from a country (France) where people do not bet on sport games, that's why it looks strange to me. We rely mainly on the standings to see who is the favourite. Dingy 17:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Its not that the standings are not used to display some form of favouritism, but in countries such as Australia, New Zealand and certain others, sports betting is frequently used as a guide to preview tournaments, matches etc. As I said it gave people who visited the page an idea of who was favourite to win. Lummie 01:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

South African Relegation Table
A few things on the newly created SA Relegation table

1 - Does the points tally need to be changed? I don't understand why the Cheetahs have 20 points or what the deal with it is?

2 - Im just wondering should the Odds and the Relegation table be placed below the statistics for the leading try and points scorers

Thanks Lummie 05:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, those points were typos, fixed now. -- HamedogTalk


 * Not a problem, would have fixed them myself but wasn't sure if I was missing something. Thanks! --Lummie 13:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

New table for each round
I saw the new table that Mike2680 put in the article I was just wondering if it should be used for all the other rounds or it should be reverted back? While I don't think it looks bad I think if it is kept the report part should be removed as its for one site and I think its more publicity for rugby.com.au than neccessary.

Any other thoughts? Lummie 02:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I decided to edit back the week 1 box that Mike2680 put in and revert the edits. I thought it would be better to decide on whether the box should be added on the talk page than leaving it on the main page. So here it is --Lummie 13:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * - bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
 * Home team
 * Score
 * Away team
 * Score
 * Ground
 * Crowd
 * Date
 * Report
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Auckland Blues
 * 19
 * Wellington Hurricanes
 * 37 (1 BP)
 * Eden Park
 * 35,200
 * February 10
 * rugby.com.au
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Western Force
 * 10
 * ACT Brumbies
 * 25
 * Subiaco Oval
 * 37,037
 * February 10
 * rugby.com.au
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Central Cheetahs
 * 18
 * Bulls
 * 30 (1 BP)
 * Free State Stadium
 * 37,383
 * February 10
 * rugby.com.au
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Canterbury Crusaders
 * 38 (1 BP)
 * Otago Highlanders
 * 15
 * Jade Stadium
 * 28,000
 * February 11
 * rugby.com.au
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Queensland Reds
 * 12 (1 BP)
 * NSW Waratahs
 * 16
 * Suncorp Stadium
 * 38,947
 * February 11
 * rugby.com.au
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Cats
 * 12
 * Stormers
 * 23
 * Ellis Park Stadium
 * 27,997
 * February 11
 * rugby.com.au
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Sharks
 * 30
 * Waikato Chiefs
 * 21
 * Kings Park Stadium
 * 26,512
 * February 11
 * rugby.com.au


 * IMO I think the boxes are a better format, and linking the reports adds to the experience of reflecting back on the season. If you can find other sources for the match reviews, feel free - it was not an attempt to plug the rugby website.


 * I didn't get a chance do do all the rounds in that format, and if people think the text version that is currently there is better and easier to read, then that's fine. I would be happy to format all rounds if people like the tables (i was rather hoping people would help me). I would be dissappointed if it was reverted based on the reasoning of giving outside links though.


 * Cheers. Mike2680 09:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Mike, to be honest I think the format looks pretty good and having the icons makes it easier to read. No I didn't revert the table because of the links but more because it looked out of place having this one box.

As with any major change in format, I thought that people could decide and then it would be restored if anyone else enjoyed it so don't take it as being removed because of the links. The reason I thought removing the links was so that updating the table was more simple and to have to find reports might make it a bit difficult.

If you decide to put it in, a few thoughts that I thought would make it a bit better in addition to removing the report links.

1 - I think having the date put at the start of each row. Plus adding the day of week so it reads something like Fri 15 May or something like that.

2 - I tried experimenting but I couldn't find a way to do it but having a seperate color for the team that wins, so instead of just having the name of the team in bold writing but having their box in a different color. To have it stand out to see who won.

But hey if no one responds to this then I say go ahead and start editing!

Lummie 12:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok so I did a bit of editing and this was the idea I had for the table. It may be worth having the report thing but take a look. Lummie 14:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * - bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
 * Date
 * Home team
 * Score
 * Away team
 * Score
 * Ground
 * Crowd
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Fri Feb 10
 * Auckland Blues
 * 19
 * style="background:silver" |Wellington Hurricanes
 * style="background:silver" |37 (1 BP)
 * Eden Park
 * 35,200
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Fri Feb 10
 * Western Force
 * 10
 * style="background:silver" |ACT Brumbies
 * style="background:silver" |25
 * Subiaco Oval
 * 37,037
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Fri Feb 10
 * Central Cheetahs
 * 18
 * style="background:silver" |Bulls
 * style="background:silver" |30 (1 BP)
 * Free State Stadium
 * 37,383
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Sat Feb 11
 * style="background:silver" |Canterbury Crusaders
 * style="background:silver" |38 (1 BP)
 * Otago Highlanders
 * 15
 * Jade Stadium
 * 28,000
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Sat Feb 11
 * Queensland Reds
 * 12 (1 BP)
 * style="background:silver" |NSW Waratahs
 * style="background:silver" |16
 * Suncorp Stadium
 * 38,947
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Sat Feb 11
 * Cats
 * 12
 * style="background:silver" |Stormers
 * style="background:silver" |23
 * Ellis Park Stadium
 * 27,997
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Sat Feb 11
 * style="background:silver" |Sharks
 * style="background:silver" |30
 * Waikato Chiefs
 * 21
 * Kings Park Stadium
 * 26,512


 * Thanks Lummie, I would be happy to do the busy work of finding match reports for each game. I like your idea of darkening the box of the winning teams - As for the date, personal preference here, I think the standard 10 February is the way to go. I think I remember reading somewhere that the proper way to reference dates on Wikipedia is like that, rather than abbreviating to Feb, Apr, Oct - I could be wrong, memory is a little sketchy.


 * What I could do is make up the tables in the discussion page (when I can sneak a bit of time at work), and then when it's all updated and current we could move the format to the main page. Mike2680 01:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Also - do you know where we can get crowd figures? They aren't easily obtainable.


 * The only reason I put the Fri Sat etc. was simply it was easier to see what day of the week it was being played. Certainly we can leave it with just the date, but I think leaving the date on the left would be easier. As for abbreviating it was more that it took up to much room with Friday, Saturday. So tried just abbreviating but again its not a big issue.


 * So I will help start updating, and as for crowd figures I asked Cvene64 as he updated them to begin with. He said that he used Google news but yeah I haven't had much luck finding them either. Lummie 06:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * planetrugby.com does good match reports- perhaps you could link to these. I just found this page- it's an awesome effort! Ronan.evans 02:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * awesome effort Lummie - looks great. Sorry that I haven't been able to help update i've been away the past week, but I will keep an eye out for these crowds. Mike2680 04:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. Took a bit of time, but once I got the hang of it, everything fell into place. Don't worry if you can't find the crowd figures. They are tough to find. Lummie 05:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Remove Waikato and other prefixes for all teams apart from the Western Force. That is how they are generally refered too. -- HamedogTalk|@ 18:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Im not sure whether its right to remove the first name of some of the teams. I know the South African teams for sure all go by their first name, but most of the Australian teams and some of the NZ teams are still refered to by their first two names. I'll give you Waikato but the Crusaders are constantly called the Canterbury Crusaders. I think its more that the commentators use the one name to make it easier to call the teams rather than constantly the NSW Waratahs or the Queensland Reds. Lummie 02:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Look at the Crusaders wiki page. "The Crusaders (formerly the Canterbury Crusaders)" - enough evidence? -- HamedogTalk|@ 02:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just because their name is the Crusaders doesn't mean they are sometimes still referred to as the Canterbury Crusaders. However I am not against the name change Im just not sure whether they need to be changed. If you want to please go ahead and change them but I would suggest then changing all of them or reverting the ones that have been changed for symmetry and to avoid confusion. Lummie 03:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Bigger logo icons for Week by week?
I was curious to know whether the logo icons that are next to each team should be increased for the week by week. I incresed them for the table and for the odds to win table but I am not sure if they are too big for each week by week.

Any thoughts? Lummie 12:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No change required - good size. -- HamedogTalk|@ 13:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Best not to draw too much attention to them, or else someone will come along and remove them for being an improper use of fair use images. :-) &mdash;Stormie 00:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I mainly thought of doing it because it the same type of display for week by week was done on the Talk page of the NRL season 2006, and thought perhaps it might look good. Here is a comparison, just incase you want to want to see the difference. Lummie 09:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Week 1 (40px icons)


 * - bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
 * Date
 * Time
 * Home team
 * Score
 * Away team
 * Score
 * Ground
 * Crowd
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Friday February 10
 * 1935
 * Blues
 * 19
 * style="background:silver" |Hurricanes
 * style="background:silver" |37 (1 BP)
 * Auckland
 * 35,200
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Friday February 10
 * 1905
 * Western Force
 * 10
 * style="background:silver" |Brumbies
 * style="background:silver" |25
 * Perth
 * 37,037
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Friday February 10
 * 1910
 * Cheetahs
 * 18
 * style="background:silver" |Bulls
 * style="background:silver" |30 (1 BP)
 * Bloemfontein
 * 37,383
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1935
 * style="background:silver" |Crusaders
 * style="background:silver" |38 (1 BP)
 * Highlanders
 * 15
 * Christchurch
 * 28,000
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1940
 * Reds
 * 12 (1 BP)
 * style="background:silver" |Waratahs
 * style="background:silver" |16
 * Brisbane
 * 38,947
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1700
 * Cats
 * 12
 * style="background:silver" |Stormers
 * style="background:silver" |23
 * Johannesburg
 * 27,997
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1910
 * style="background:silver" |Sharks
 * style="background:silver" |30
 * Chiefs
 * 21
 * Durban
 * 26,512

Week 1 (40px icons)

! colspan=9 | Top Four after one round ! Pos ! Team ! Pld ! W ! D ! L ! F ! A ! +/- ! BP ! Pts
 * - bgcolor="#d0ffd0" align="center"
 * 1
 * align="left" | Crusaders
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 38 || 15 || 23 || 1 || 5
 * - bgcolor="#d0ffd0" align="center"
 * - align="center"
 * 2
 * align="left" | Hurricanes
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 37 || 19 || 18 || 1 || 5
 * - align="center"
 * 3
 * align="left" | Bulls
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 30 || 18 || 12 || 1 || 5
 * - align="center"
 * 4
 * align="left" | Brumbies
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 25 || 10 || 15 || 0 || 4

Week 1 (25px icons)


 * - bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
 * Date
 * Time
 * Home team
 * Score
 * Away team
 * Score
 * Ground
 * Crowd
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Friday February 10
 * 1935
 * Blues
 * 19
 * style="background:silver" |Hurricanes
 * style="background:silver" |37 (1 BP)
 * Auckland
 * 35,200
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Friday February 10
 * 1905
 * Western Force
 * 10
 * style="background:silver" |Brumbies
 * style="background:silver" |25
 * Perth
 * 37,037
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Friday February 10
 * 1910
 * Cheetahs
 * 18
 * style="background:silver" |Bulls
 * style="background:silver" |30 (1 BP)
 * Bloemfontein
 * 37,383
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1935
 * style="background:silver" |Crusaders
 * style="background:silver" |38 (1 BP)
 * Highlanders
 * 15
 * Christchurch
 * 28,000
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1940
 * Reds
 * 12 (1 BP)
 * style="background:silver" |Waratahs
 * style="background:silver" |16
 * Brisbane
 * 38,947
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1700
 * Cats
 * 12
 * style="background:silver" |Stormers
 * style="background:silver" |23
 * Johannesburg
 * 27,997
 * - bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
 * Saturday February 11
 * 1910
 * style="background:silver" |Sharks
 * style="background:silver" |30
 * Chiefs
 * 21
 * Durban
 * 26,512

Week 1 (25px icons)

! colspan=9 | Top Four after one round ! Pos ! Team ! Pld ! W ! D ! L ! F ! A ! +/- ! BP ! Pts
 * - bgcolor="#d0ffd0" align="center"
 * 1
 * align="left" | Crusaders
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 38 || 15 || 23 || 1 || 5
 * - bgcolor="#d0ffd0" align="center"
 * - align="center"
 * 2
 * align="left" | Hurricanes
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 37 || 19 || 18 || 1 || 5
 * - align="center"
 * 3
 * align="left" | Bulls
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 30 || 18 || 12 || 1 || 5
 * - align="center"
 * 4
 * align="left" | Brumbies
 * 1 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 25 || 10 || 15 || 0 || 4

Table Pos.
Could someone move these to the left of the names and logos please? I tried and failed!-- HamedogTalk|@ 01:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

FA Status
Once the season is over, who wants to get this page up to FA status? -- HamedogTalk|@ 01:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I would be more than happy to help, but (if anyone is interested) I have a few things off the top of my head that could certainly be improved:


 * I'd say, everysingle logo, except for the Super 14 one, would most likely have to be removed (including the first ladder). Don't shoot me! But people will fail the article on the grounds that copyright images are being used for decoration...
 * There is a lot of missing content, for example, there should be paragraphs regarding pre-season...notable events (retirements of players/coaches, doping, crowds..etc etc)
 * On the topic of crowds...They will (in order to get FA, in my opinon) have to be removed, as they are unsourced. I'am guilty of this, and whilst I could attribute the ones I contributed, they would all be from individual sources which would be a nightmare for referencing.
 * There is a lot of other stuff, like use of tables/what is and is not encyclepedic...etc
 * These are just random ideas, not criticisms. But yeah, thought I would discuss it. p.s What a crazy final that was... Cvene64 13:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment What about going for FA at the Super 14 page? I think that would be a lot easier...?Cvene64 06:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Good Work Everyone
Great work everyone for creating such a fantastic page. Pity to see it all over so soon. To 2007!

Improvement
You could add some more infomation on the final, see for example Dingy 05:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Create an Article on the final?
I was thinking the final probably deserves an article just because of the weather. We have the 2006 Champions League Final and the Australia in South Africa, 5th ODI, 2006 (400 cricket match) which are both recent, so why not create one on the final? -- HamedogTalk|@ 04:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, especially because of the weird conditions, it makes it very important. Cvene64 05:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Name? 2006 Super 14 final? or 2006 Super 14 grand final, 2006 Super 14 season final? Redirect from Mist Match? (JJ) -- HamedogTalk|@ 09:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think 2006 Super 14 final is the most appropriate, and yeah, we should set up a few redirects as well. It should be a good article, as right now there is a lot of content available. Cvene64 13:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Not this again!!
I see Ed g2s is at it again removing images. This time removing every image in sight from the page. Lummie 12:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I say we just revert what he did. Take a look at his talk page- he has clearly been doing this to other articles and people are becomeing very annoyed. I fail to see how this guy is admin! Obvoiusly the images are not used as decoration but as conveniant tools for locating information far more quickly than could otherwise be done. Ronan.evans 13:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He does to this alot of pages, You may wish to join in at: Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 14:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't like it he/she removed every image, even those in the lead of the article, such as the 2006 logo and advert, which clearly are not decoration, as they are specific to this season. The same user also removed an image at Jonah Lomu which had a fair-use rationale/permission on its page. Cvene64 16:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We need to combine against this- hes done it to NRL as well as AFL. In the case of NRL hes removed historic logos as well which had nothing to do with decoration at all. Can someone try to get him blocked citing vandalism? Ronan.evans 00:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Pre-season results
Does anyone have all the pre-season results? Cvene64 16:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I am sure they can be found. I think we should covert this article to look like 2006 FIFA World Cup-- HamedogTalk|@ 20:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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