Talk:2007–08 Pittsburgh Penguins season/GA1

GA Review

 * This review is transcluded from Talk:2007–08 Pittsburgh Penguins season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Yay, a hockey related review. I'll go over the article in a few hours, so hang tight! Also, if you think I'm inducing any POV, let me know, because I have a COI because I support the Leafs. Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  20:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Close the peer review, first. Pie is good   (Apple is the best)  20:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment
 * Don't super script the th in 40th in the lead per the MOS
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Date linking is deprecated, see MOS
 * I don't know what that means.  Grsz  talk  23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Got it. (It is policy not to link dates anymore).--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thank goodness, I hated those.  Grsz  talk  01:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure the cite in the 2nd paragraph of the lead isn't needed, as its pretty well-known to NHL-fans
 * True, and done.  Grsz  talk  23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The choice of color in the log at 2007–08_Pittsburgh_Penguins_season and 2007–08 Pittsburgh Penguins season is kinda distracting
 * Team colors, seems okay to me.  Grsz  talk  23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mind trying yellow background with black text? Thanks. Pie is good   (Apple is the best)  14:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * All of the Penguins related items are in that style. We would have to change everything (templates, multiple seasons, etc.) to match. Is it really that vital?  Black  ngold29   14:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not that vital, so just skip this comment. Pie is good   (Apple is the best)  00:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The regular season began on 5 October 2007, against the Carolina Hurricanes and concluded on 6 April 2008, against the rival Philadelphia Flyers. Seems rather choppy with the commas. Suggest rewording.
 * Some done.  Grsz  talk  23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In the 2007–08_Pittsburgh_Penguins_season section, I don't understand what it means by Injured reserve
 * Long-term injury. Should it be something else?  Grsz  talk  23:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "Injured reserve list." Maybe link it to Injured reserve list, but that would look weird.--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

That's all for now. Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  23:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as Malone & Sydor are listed as alternate captains? this article failes GA. Why? Malone & Sydor only served as interim-alternate captains (during the injury/abscense from lineup of Crosby, Roberts and/or Gonchar. GoodDay (talk) 00:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Where does it state that they were alternate captains? In the infobox, it states that Gonchar and Roberts were, while Recchi served from Oct-Dec. And that alone would not be a reason to fail, it would be easy to correct, and I'm not willing to fail an article that could be fixed in one minute. Pie is good   (Apple is the best)  00:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Roberts missed 44 games, compared to 38 he played in the regular season. When he wasn't playing, Malone or Sydor wore the A. I don't know how that doesn't make them alternate captains, and even still, is there a standard stated somewhere on this?  Grsz  talk  00:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly my point - When Roberts wasn't playing GoodDay (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that if they wore the "A," even once, that makes them alternate captains. Maybe make a footnote explaining the situation.--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Found another superscript at 2007–08_Pittsburgh_Penguins_season. See 31st consecutive sellout.
 * Gone.--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 01:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  00:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Crosby became the first Penguins captain since the retirement of Mario Lemieux in January 2006, following a season of four alternate captains in Crosby, Mark Recchi, Sergei Gonchar, and John LeClair. Needs a rewrite after the first comma. In particular, the alternate captains in Crosby... part.
 * Rewrote  Black  ngold29   02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mind merging the following with another paragraph? The Penguins also extended head coach Michel Therrien's contract through the 2008-09 season.
 * Merged  Black  ngold29   02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In the infobox, Average attendance:17,077 (100.7%) Huh?
 * Standing room only for every game, I believe that's mentioned in the prose. It's correct.  Black  ngold29   01:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * complied a point streak of ten games Isn't complied compiled?
 * Fixed  Black  ngold29   02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Following the injury to Crosby, a make-shift line composed of Evgeni Malkin, Petr Sykora, and Ryan Malone dubbed the “Steel City Line” helped sustain the Penguins standing, scoring 50 goals during the 28-game span, and helping the Penguins clinch a playoff spot for the second year in a row. Do you really need the and?
 * Removed  Black  ngold29   02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the Alt captain issue, but IMO, we should list every Alt cap' and put it in a footnote indicating such.
 * Put a footnote to a prose explanation rather than a source. Let me know what you think.  Grsz  talk  02:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  01:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * With an attendance of 71,417, the Winter Classic on January 1, 2008 at Ralph Wilson Stadium easily surpassed the NHL single-game record set on November 22, 2003 State that it broke the attendance record
 * Added and removed "easily" per NPOV.  Black  ngold29   02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ...when the Edmonton Oilers hosted the Montreal Canadiens at Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton, before 57,167 fans in the Heritage Classic. no comma needed IMO
 * Removed, though it could read "...in Edmonton, before 57,167 fans, in the.."  Black  ngold29   02:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  14:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ...looked to improve upon their progress in the 2006–07 season, after being eliminated No comma needed
 * Removed  Black  ngold29   14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In prose, it mentions 17,089 as the average, however, in the infobox, 17,077 is mentioned as the number
 * Fixed. 17,089 is cited in the prose  Black  ngold29   14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Penguins are only two years removed from their last-place Eastern Conference finish in 2006. Two years removed sounds a bit awkward.
 * Reworded and flipped for better paragraph flow  Black  ngold29   14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Image caption of Image:Evgeni Malkin2.jpg Evgeni Malkin finished second in total points with 106, in his second year in the league. needs to indicate in league or in the team
 * Clarified. In the league.  Black  ngold29   14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also see my comment about the game log colours above.
 * The Penguins earned the second seed in the Eastern Conference. Should be earlier in the paragraph.
 * Moved to first sentence.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * 2007-08_Pittsburgh_Penguins_season see 7th-seed.
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Evgeni Malkin scored his first career playoff goal, Marc-Andre Fleury recorded his first career playoff shutout, Petr Sykora added a goal, and Gary Roberts scored twice. Fragmented sentence IMO.
 * Added "In the game".  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hossa added his second goal, on an empty net, to seal the victory. No comma needed.
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ...but Joffrey Lupul's second goal, on an empty net, sealed the win for the Flyers. No commas needed again
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * and the Prince of Wales Trophy, by a final score of 6-0. No comma needed. This is getting pretty common.
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It was the third Stanley Cup Finals appearance for the Penguins franchise, the first since back-to-back victories during the 1991 Stanley Cup Finals and the 1992 Stanley Cup Finals. What do you mean by back-to-back victories?
 * Changed to "consecutive".  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In Game One at Detroit's Joe Louis Arena, the Red Wings opened scoring in the 2nd period with a goal from Mikael Samuelsson, before finishing with three goals in the 3rd period, from Samuelsson, Dan Cleary, and Henrik Zetterberg. State that the Penguins lost in a shutout.(which I find hilarious)
 * Not needed.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ...Maxime Talbot scored for the Penguins, who had pulled goalie Marc-Andre Fleury. Kinda sounds like that Talbot pulled Fleury. Try a reword.
 * Clarified.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The game logs are inconsistent. For the regular season log, it uses direct links, but for the Playoff Log, it uses inline cites. Choose one.
 * Well, the regular season links externally to a recap. The playoffs are also a recap, but they are cited elsewhere in the article as well, like in the playoff prose.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In the playoff log, the log for the Eastern Conference Semifinals doesn't link to Fleury like the way that the other playoff round logs do.
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * How come in the goaltender tables, the playoff table uses a comma for minutes while the regular season doesn't? Also, does combined have to be capitalized?
 * Removed commas, and COMBINED → Combined, TOTAL → Total.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The caption for Image:Marián Hossa - Pittsburgh.jpg, Marian Hossa was acquired by the Penguins in a last minute trade. seems rather ambiguous. State just minutes before the trade deadline
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Source check is tommorow...brace yourself. =) Pie is good   (Apple is the best)  00:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Most cites need a date of publication and an accessdate as the source could change. They are also inconsistent as some use a bracket for the date and some don't. Normally I'd fail this under this, but I feel that a 5-minute fix should fail an article
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  01:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cite 11 doesn't confirm the game played, nor the points achieved
 * Brought in a new source (Malkin's bio at Penguins site) that says he scored X points after the injury.  Grsz  X  16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Where in Cite 20 does it specifically say that the rally was actually held?
 * Changed to this article.  Grsz  talk  03:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * State that the Toronto Maple Leafs don't suck
 * Ok.  Grsz  X  16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Do not state the above
 * Awwwww.  Grsz  X  16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Following debris removal and site preparation, groundbreaking for construction will begin in the summer.
 * Will begin→began.  Grsz  talk  01:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In the 3rd table in #Milestones and awards, combine the cell for the NHL YoungStar award.
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  03:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Cite 83 states a 403 error. Replace the cite.
 * Done.  Grsz  talk  03:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Done! Also replied to the tables comment, so be sure to check on that. Now placing on hold, you have 7 days to address this(and I mean that I won't be checking the article until 4 days from now, so you can look for other stuff you want to clarify) and judge. Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  23:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC) Once these things are addressed, I can and will pass it. Pie is good  (Apple is the best)  21:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lead is too short. Try including info about Player stats, Milestones and awards, Transactions, and Draft picks in a paragraph. Also, clarify With a 12-2 record, the team eliminated the Senators, the New York Rangers, and the Flyers, on their way to the 2008 Stanley Cup Final, the franchise's first in 16 years. by stating ''in the playoffs.
 * Expanded and clarified.  Black  ngold29   21:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The alternate captain entry for Ryan Malone (Dec--) looks kind off weird with the double dashes.
 * I replaced all the dashes with en dashes. I don't know what the purpose of the double dash was, unless there's a specific reason I think it looks OK now.  Black  ngold29   21:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The Team leaders section in the infobox doesn't mention whether regular season or playoffs.
 * It's regular season, it's a standard template so I don't really know how to clarify that. All figures are repeated in the stats section, so one could look there for further explination.  Black  ngold29   21:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


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 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
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 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
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 * No edit wars, etc:
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Alternate captains discussion I rewrote the bit in the prose like so: ''Following the release of Recchi in early December and injuries to Crosby and Roberts (Recchi's replacement), Sergei Gonchar remained the Penguins only active alternate captain. The team assigned two new alternate captains with Ryan Malone and Darryl Sydor serving during the injuries. ''' It 1) Explains that Roberts himself was a replacement, and 2) that Malone and Sydor served in the absence of Crosby and Roberts.  Grsz  talk  01:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me. (But then again, I thought it was fine earlier).--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 03:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it, Gonchar was an alternate captain. GoodDay (talk) 12:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See also the discussion at WT:HOCKEY: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey#2007-08 Pittsburgh Penguins season article a GA??