Talk:2007 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 3

TD Ten TCR
---CWY2190TC 22:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Ingrid TCR
Good kitty 00:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

15 Oct CSU Forecast
http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Forecasts/ does not show a forecast for 15 October. Was there an anouncement somewhere else? And/Or is it inappropriate to have a forecast listed for 15th October from CSU in the predictions table? crandles 10:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Created It is the sole contribution of 71.29.75.148  crandles 10:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Chantal & Lorenzo TCRs
& Good kitty 17:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Melissa TCR
Good kitty 20:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Jerry TCR
Seddon69 15:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Noel Sandbox
Yea, it's in progress. I'll publish it shortly after it gets more updated. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that Noel is inland over Cuba...
... did anybody catch when it had its second landfall - and where? 147.70.242.40 14:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Gabrielle TCR
Good kitty 16:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

"September had the lowest storm activity since 1977, despite tying for the most storms in the month"
This seems like a contradiction. Is there a clarification for this so that it's a bit less puzzling? 147.70.242.40 20:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone changed it. It used to say "September had a record tying 8 storms but the strengths and durations of the storms were low." I've restored that. -- RattleMan 21:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * After I wrote that "but the strengths and durations of the storms were low", I realised that Felix was a September storm and I expected it to be quickly changed - so much for my expectations LOL. crandles 21:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * While we're on the topic, the mention of the tie under Melissa has a cite needed tag, can somebody take care of it? Circeus 22:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Noel
OK, it isn't a hurricane, but it is still going on as a significant weather event that people, even if they aren't Yankees are worried about. Why the total pull of all current info? I've added back the current info on Noel with links to the Canadian Hurricane Centre site to the Noel article. If post-tropical Noel doesn't belong here and the Hurricane Noel article where does it go? Caerwine Caer’s whines 19:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hurricanehink asked me about this earlier, an article on ex-Noel's effects would probably be a good idea. I'm not sure if he's working on one, though. As for the pull of current info, the current info gets pulled since there are no official RSMC tropical cyclone warnings on the systems. This particular article only deals with tropical cyclones; once they're extratropical, they're out of its scope as far as current info is concerned, which is why a separate article might be a good idea. --Core desat 19:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * For reference, since the CHC seems not to keep its statements for good: http://www.webcitation.org/5T82XVqTU --213.155.231.26 17:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, Core, but when did we decide that? If the RSMC is not following it, but there is an official prediction center calling it a storm with forecasted or occurring impacts on land, it is a current storm. It is outside the RSMC scope of responsibility, but it hasn't vanished. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 17:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is exactly what I've been saying. We've rushed to declare storms inactive as soon as the NHC issues its final advisory, but Noel still exists and is doing damage right now. There could even still be fatalities attributed to this storm. Noel isn't tropical any more, but that doesn't mean the storm no longer exists. Winds gusted to Category 3 in Wreckhouse, Newfoundland and Labrador, several days after the final advisory. DOSGuy 23:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Potential retirement candidates
While the season is not over yet, perhaps we should discuss what names will likely be retired. I would probably say that Dean, Felix, and Noel will be retired. Erin has a slight chance of retirement. All other names will probably be used again in 2013. What are your thoughts on this? ANDROS1337  15:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Since we won't be putting potential retirement candidates in the article, unless maybe a specific news source mentions them, all discussion on this might want to be put here.---CWY2190TC 15:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * There is actually already a topic on that in the linked Wikia. -- IP changes  the box  17:22, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be so quick to think they will be retired...I'd say Dean and Felix probably (but not certainly) will be, and Noel is a toss-up. Erin and Humberto have a slight chance but is unlikely. Since there are no obvious candidates, until a proven case is made by one or more countries, I'd leave (2007) on all the names. CrazyC83 21:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't want to say anything because I don't think it's worth speculating right now, but I don't think that Noel is remotely a toss up. It killed 148 people. From now on, whenever anyone talks about Noel, they'll be referring to Noel 2007. DOSGuy 06:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * After Gordon, we can never say for sure that a name will be retired. --Golbez 06:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Dean and Felix will be most likely retired. There is a chance Erin, Humberto, Lorenzo, and Noel will be retired. Pilover819 19:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

picture
I really think there should be a picture of all hurricane tracks this year, in the introduction. Juliancolton 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We use the NHC's all-tracks picture, and that only comes out when all the TCRs have been released. Be patient. -- RattleMan 03:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

When are they usually released? Juliancolton 14:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Whenever the NHC gets to them. They have no schedule. For example, all of 2005's TCRs were not completely released until April of 2006. 2006's were not finished until early January 2007. -- RattleMan 14:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The track map takes as long as a month to come out following the release of the final report. Five reports have yet to be released, in additon to two Pacific reports still needing to be released and the Pacific track map, which could come out first. Contrary to popular opinion, NHC is plenty busy in the offseason. Lest we forget, there are technically still six days of the season left. This means a large part of their attention is still focused on the Atlantic. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 20:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Also we might have a post season storm in which case the NHC would have to update the Track maps so do not expect them before january at the earliest when a storm would be consided a preseason storm for 2008 - Also the TCRs are taking their time to come out as the NHC has to gather up all the infomation from the National Metrological Services as well as the CPHC, HPC & JTWC Jason Rees (talk) 01:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Humberto TCR
It is now out. Winds bumped to 80 kt at landfall (updated the article mentioning such). Damage found to be only $50M though. CrazyC83 (talk) 18:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

TD 15 TCR
--Ajm81 22:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Storm articles
I still say we should try to creat as many good articles on storms as we can. I have alot of info for storms like ingrid, but i hesitate to creat them, due to the objections that i know will come. :( Juliancolton (talk) 21:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sandboxes exist for Ingrid, Jerry and Melissa (see above), feel free to build on them. (Karen has not started yet, awaiting the TCR and expected upgrade) CrazyC83 (talk) 16:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Can I add on to the articles while they are still in the sandbox? Juliancolton (talk) 16:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. ---CWY2190TC 16:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Overall, I am pretty happy with how the look in the sandbox...Not sure what more I could add to them. Juliancolton (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Karen TCR
...yes! It's a 'cane, folks. -- RattleMan (talk) 22:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Did they reasses it a hurricane in the post-season examining? I thought it was just a tropical storm. Juliancolton (talk) 22:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes they did. There were many hints of it being a hurricane though. I'll work on the sandbox soon to finish the article list. CrazyC83 (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Juliancolton (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. In case you need to know, I updated karen's status on the French, Chinese, and Simple English Wikipedias. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Four more and some minor rewriting and this article should be ready for at least GA. Good kitty (talk) 01:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Do we have Karen yet? Juliancolton (talk) 01:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I just rewrote that section. Good kitty (talk) 01:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I mean a seperate article about Karen. Juliancolton (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sandbox written. Feel free to make any additions or changes (with that or any others). Since Hurricane Karen (2007) does not exist as a redirect, I thought about moving it now but I'll leave some more discussion. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks good for the most part. Juliancolton (talk) 14:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ha! Ha! I knew it! You check the Wikia; just last week I said: "They won't upgrade it, but I'm pretty convinced Karen was a hurricane. I even marked it in my personal archives as such. That's cool! -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 14:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Assess
I think because there aren't likely to me any more storms, it is time to give this article a real assessment. I think it is pretty good, so we might want to send it right to GAC. What does everybody think? Juliancolton (talk) 01:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * On December 1, with the season officially over and the page no longer technically "current", that should be done. All the articles are now in place (except for the hopeless TD15 which will never have enough for an article). CrazyC83 (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I may be able to make up something for TD #15. Juliancolton (talk) 01:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok I would like to see this page assessed by someone this saturday - but i feel we should wait untill the whole of the TCRS are out as all off the storms. Jason Rees (talk) 02:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not ready for GA. I don't see any TCR references for Andrea, Barry, Chantal, Humberto, and TD 10. Those sections need lots of rewriting. Additionally other sections need tweaking and others named references. Good kitty (talk) 03:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have a season summary either, so I would hesitate to even give it B-Class. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 05:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There are some B-class ones without summaries. Good kitty (talk) 06:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, quite a few. All the storm sections are up to snuff, so (low-end) B-class it is. Still a ways from GA though...and I wouldn't go there until January due to stability. CrazyC83 (talk) 16:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Question about TCR
I have a question about the TCRs. Why do very intense and deadly storms' Tropical Cyclone Reports come out late, for example, Hurricane Noel? Weatherlover819 {talk} 11:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I would guess because there is so much more damage to assess. Juliancolton (talk) 14:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Not only that, the storm history takes longer to assess because the storm was big and badass. Weaker storms have much less information to process. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 14:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that it is due to information gathering, but the production of the TCRs appear to be driven more by whether or not a system produced effects on a landmass and how long ago it occurred. The ones that don't affect land appear to be done first, followed by those that impacted land.  For other countries, the data collection can occur into the following spring when the Caribbean countries formally submit their information, which can lead to updates after the WMO meeting.  Thegreatdr (talk) 15:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Season NOT over?
With the potential formation of a storm in the Caribbean, should this page be returned to current? CrazyC83 (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think it should until/unless the NHC starts issuing advisories on it. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Change it back to current when the first advisory is made, and not a moment before. --Golbez (talk) 23:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What about a Special weather statment? "Could become a tropical or subtropical storm in the next 24 hours." Juliancolton (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, we know that happened, and it happens regularly during the season. However, the article is for tropical and subtropical cyclones, and right now it is not officially either. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Good point. But I think it should be returned to current because the national hurricane center considers the disturbance a "Special Tropical Desturbance Statement". Juliancolton (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Tropical Disturbance does not mean tropical cyclone; in fact, it means a tropical cyclone does not exist yet. This should not be current until advisories have begun. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * And if it does develope, then it would still be considered 2007, right? Juliancolton (talk) 02:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep. It would be Olga. ---CWY2190TC 02:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am new to creating current storm articles still, so do I start my sandbox now, or wait? Juliancolton (talk) 02:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd wait for it to get there (if it does), since there isn't much to write about now. And yes, it is still part of the 2007 season. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, Juliancolton, I've already started a sandbox on my computer, so you don't have to worry about creating an article. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

ok, is it just me, or does this sentence not belong?: The season also included a late season Special Tropical Disturbance, remaining during December 10th. It seems to me that there have been dozens of theses, so why does this one get a mention? Juliancolton (talk) 14:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was reverted. --Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Correct, since tropical disturbances are not tropical cyclones. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)