Talk:2007 Bersih rally

Suggestions
I support todays rally at Dataran Merdeka as much as you Dante.... but this is not really a neutral, unbiased article. Disagree with them or not, this article needs the perspective of UMNO/Government Supporters. Ryan Albrey 18:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I concur with you. I'm a little busy right now, I hope some other people will take up the mantle to flesh out the article further. I'm not a frequest contributor to Wikipedia either, so my writing is a little amateurish. Dante Shamest 19:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I suppose there should be mention about the prohibition of wearing yellow clothes, which is a sign of participation in the rally. I hadn't enough details to write that, not to mention the references. &mdash; Blue. 12:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion changing, "The police form a human line near the National Palace." to "The police form a human barrier near the National Palace." or "The police form a line near the National Palace.". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.181.163 (talk) 08:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

batu burok riot
this should be relevant imho... 124.82.11.127 11:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

batu burok should go in either its own article or into the Bersih article. Ryan Albrey 09:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel there should be a short primer on Batu Burok incident that will lead to a page of its own. After all, the incident at Batu Burok does affect the rally in KL. Batu Kurok gave the KL rally the prominence it needed to attract people. __earth (Talk) 10:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll all for an independent article. The incident led to a notable fiasco revolving around a photographed burning of the Malaysian flag in the riot. I believe articles covering September 26's lawyer march in Putrajaya and August's Indian protest in the same place are also in order due to the number of protestors. Problem is, even considering they do cover such stories, news covered barely one month ago is not archived in most local mainstream news sites, especially those of Utusan Malaysia, Berita Harian, The Sun and the New Straits Times. Getting hold of specific newspaper snippets is even harder. - Two hundred percent 10:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Government's claim
A reference is needed for the claim the government blamed the rally itself was the cause of the traffic chaos. This Star article doesn't mention anything about the claim and instead mentions that checks and road closures were the cause which seems a bit strange to me if the government blamed the rally directly. Nil Einne 12:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It might be hard to find any reference for "Although it was claimed by the government that the actual rally was the cause of the jam" but it should be easier to find a reference if it were instead to read "Despite the Police decision to ban the rally on the basis of disturbance to the public, it is widely believed that Police action, such as roadblocks on major arterial roads, in fact made the disruption to the public much worse than it might otherwise have been.". It is a matter of public record that one reason why the Police refused a permit was because of the disturbance to the public. Ryan Albrey 05:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

hacked website
We need to add that too. In days leading to the rally, the website was hacked by anonymous person(s). the hacker placed a message saying the rally was postponed or canceled. =) __earth (Talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Idiots
These protesters are by far the most idiotic people i have ever seen in the news. In the name of democracy, 10,000 people rallied in front of the palace, and forced nearby businesses to shut down, thereby losing that day's profit. And bringing children into this? those parents should be ashamed of themselves. they know that the police are going to be there, and they know that the police are going to use tear gas. what if their children were affected by this? are they going to sue the government then? if so, then they're using their own children for profit-seeking purposes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.185.96.150 (talk) 03:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * This is not a forum. So, keep your discussion elsewhere. Besides, you might want to read economist Douglas North's work on why betterment for long lasting institution is better than one-day short term profit. __earth (Talk) 03:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It is bad enough that this country is blighted by politicians more interested in profiting for themselves than the future of Malaysia. But it is sad almost beyond words that there are ignorant individuals like 202.185.96.150 who walk around in a daze believing that everything is ok with the status-quo in Malaysia. What about the families that didn't even know that Saturday would be a day of protest (the ban on advertising meant that MANY people had no idea) and got caught up in the police initiated chaos regardless? Who owns the streets? The Government or the People? Ryan Albrey 07:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I support BERSIH rally....

Khairy Jamaluddin and UMNOputra are idiots too as they did a demonstration when Condi Rice came to Malaysia...

UMNO members organised demonstrations against the British when they want to introduce Malayan Union. Were those UMNO members ... idiots too? If our ancestors didn't do demonstrations ... would we have a nation today...

SUPPORT FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN MALAYSIA!!! SUPPORT BERSIH!!!!! Kulim 08:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Other Matters
I am not sure that the permanent ink has yet been implemented. The Electoral Commission has merely agreed to the idea in principle. Ryan Albrey 05:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The first line claims that the rally was peaceful and I think we can all agree it wasn't really that peaceful. There were traffic jams that went for miles and thousands of aggressive police officers with riot gear. Perhaps the person who wrote "peaceful" meant to explain that Bersih INTENDED for the rally to be peaceful. We need to make a distinction between what was intended and what actually happened on the day. Ryan Albrey 05:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC) In some parts the grammar is not 100%. Past tense is used where present tense should be used. For instance the electoral system heavily favors the ruling political party rather than favored. Ryan Albrey 05:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

What was planned beforehand and what just happened.
The suggestion that "this was a red herring to distract the police" desperately needs a reference. I am not so sure that this is correct. I am sure that in a perfect Malaysia Bersih would have preferred to gather first at Dataran Merdeka at 3pm and then begin the orderly walk to the Palace at 3 to reach the King at 4pm. The reason that the actual events of the day deviated so significantly from those published intentions (on blogs and mailing lists in the days before) is much more likely to be because it simply wasn't possible to do things like they had planned as a result of the Government response. Anybody that had wanted to enter Dataran Medeka last Saturday would have had a pretty difficult time of it. It was completely cordoned off. I have an email dated the day before the Rally that listed Pasar Seni, Masjid Jamek, Sogo and Masjid Negara as the meeting points. The intention was to march from those meeting points to Dataran Merdeka. The email I received says:

"Berkumpul di tempat pertemuan yang ditetapkan (Sogo, Masjid Jamek, Pasar Seni atau Masjid Negara) dan berarak beramai-ramai ke Dataran Merdeka. (Gather at the permanent meeting places (Sogo, Masjid Jamek, Pasar Seni or Masjid Negara) and march en-masse to Dataran Merdeka)"

I am sure nobody from Bersih is naive enough to imagine that the Government wasn't reading that email. I don't believe the reference to a "red herring" is justified. Ryan Albrey 05:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Similarity = POV
Sounds a lot like an opinion to me. Unless you have some, say, facts or figures to back up this claim. People cite from wikipedia more often than not. &mdash; Blue. 15:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed the NPOV template, please use for sections or  for sentences, then detail issues here. This will help address them in a timely manner. - RoyBoy 18:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Too many links
There are too many links and according WP:ISNOT, WP is not a directory. Many of the news links are redundant, talking about the same thing. Whatever the news said should already been mentioned in the reference section. __earth (Talk) 00:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm agree, i will cancel some part, mostly apply to WP:EL. --Aleen f 1 13:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
The user with the IP number 158.143.177.9 had vandalised this article several times. Can someone please semi-protect this page? Thanks. Hezery99 (talk) 13:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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