Talk:2007 Major League Soccer season

MLS 2007 Line-up
Toronto will be in the Eastern Conference.

New York
Che84, OK, referring to the club as the "New York Red Bulls" is equally appropriate as is referring to it as "Red Bull New York." It was originally written as Red Bull New York in this entry, but I will stop reverting the "fix" that you made. --Cougs2000 19:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Single Table
can someone with the technical ability spruce up the single table to look something like this: http://www.rrac.net/singletablemls/


 * I've been messing around with the table, trying to get it right. I just saw this, and I think I can get it.  Let me see what I can do. Che84 03:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * My work is done. I copied the format of the Eredivisie. Che84 03:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * awesome job! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.119.239.138 (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

I was wondering, since the positions for the SuperLiga, Open Cup, and Champions' Cup are already noted in the table, could the table be modified so that the correct playoff seedings are acknowledged? I tried to do that last week and someone changed it on me. Otav347 03:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You can use the conference standings for that. There isn't really a need to add it to the overall table.  Che84 19:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that there is no such thing as a single table in MLS, and in my opinion it is incorrect to call any single table the "league standings." I hope no one minds that I've renamed them to "playoff berths" as it is the only meaning a single table has for play in MLS, as well as try to make the conference standings look a little less like the no-frills tables that was there before. --Roehl Sybing 03:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * For the sake of competitions like the Champions' Cup, MLS is a single-table league. You can't consider that part of the MLS Playoffs, so calling it "playoff berths" is incorrect as well. Che84 04:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * For the sake of accuracy, MLS is not a single-table league. To have it characterized as such in the article is OR.  You are correct, though, that another name needs to take the place of "playoff berths," but at the moment it is the only thing that come to mind.  I'd like to work with you on that, if you have any ideas. --Roehl Sybing 03:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps..."Single-table standings as of _____", with a note attached to the single-table, saying that MLS is not officially a single-table league, but is viewed as such when it comes to qualification for certain tournaments, like the SuperLiga and Champions' Cup. Che84 04:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The footnotes for the table already in place already denote which teams go to the playoffs, SuperLiga, and CCC, so there's no need for that "but" clause. Otherwise, I think that's fine, so you can go ahead and make that change.  --Roehl Sybing 04:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Good change there with the wording. I didn't like how I phrased it, but that's all I could come up with at the moment.  Hopefully this is settled for a while. Che84 23:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * With the disparity in games played to date would this table be better ordered by points per game played? In the end it'd be the same, but for now Dallas on top is kind of misleading. PPG, they're all the way down to sixth. --Elliskev 12:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * When you put it that way, you might as well put in PPG for the conference standings, and nowhere in the world do you see PPG instead of a table based on points alone. I see PPG as pointless because by the end of the season it will all even out anyway.--Otav347 15:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * So that's a no? --Elliskev 01:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Correct. Che84 03:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the primary table shouldn't be as such, but perhaps another (new) table set up in that format during the season isn't the worst of ideas. Theasfl 01:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

If Im not mistaken, MLS has said the top 4 teams by points will qualify for the 2008 SuperLiga. The single table standings are set up with the playoff seedings in the top 2 from each conference are the top 4 seeds. Though it's currently accurate, eventually the 2-4 seeds may need a different color background from the 5 and potentially 6 seed. Theasfl 01:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That would not be necessary, because for the playoffs, conferences are still used. MLS made a mistake with how the playoffs would be set on their rules page, and noted that correction on their standings page.  The conference setup was originally planned before the season, and their website mistake led to much confusion on how the playoffs would be set up this year.  The only thing to remember is if a 5th team from, say, the East, gets the final playoff spot, they would move into the Western Conference playoffs, and vice versa. Otav347 02:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That wasn't what I was referring to. I understand how the playoffs work, but if one of, or both of, the top two teams from one conference aren't in the top four teams overall in points...they shouldn't be in the SuperLiga for 2008 based on the qualification declaration of the top four teams overall in points making the competition next season. The current single table format is set up correctly for the playoffs, but for example, if Chivas USA stays second in the West, but gets passed by New York on points, then the top four teams overall would be DC, Houston, New England and New York, who should qualify for the SuperLiga next year. If that were to happen, would the conference designation be ignored for the single table or not? If not, then the 5th team would be blue and the 4th, orange. Hopefully what I said makes sense now. On another note, now that DC United has clinched a playoff spot, shouldn't there be some form of designation for that? Theasfl 13:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * First off, I added an element to indicate DC's playoff berth. Next, if you look at the history of this page, back to when there was a situation such as you stated, the top two in each conference are marked [ie. (E1)], but if they are not in the top four, then they will be moved in the table to their correct placement. Otav347 16:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the tables to reflect that the New York Red Bulls have clinched a playoff spot. The LA Galaxy / Chicago Fire matchup the final day of the season means that in a worst-cast scenario there is a 3-way tie for the final 2 playoff spots. In such an instance Chicago is eliminated. New York cannot miss the playoffs no matter what happens to them from here on out. Technical details can be verified by anyone who can do math and read the MLS tiebreaker rules, and here is one explanation: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12929383&postcount=91 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.17.168 (talk) 09:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent results
Are these really necessary? If there's a link to the overall schedule somewhere, recent results are just a click away. Putting them here seems pointless. Che84 03:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The results are disappearing. If anyone objects, feel free to discuss. Otav347 01:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Carolina Challenge Cup
I have moved the 2007 Carolina Challenge Cup from the "National Competition" to a "Pre-Season Competition" section that I created. It didn't seem appropriate to classify a relatively small pre-season invitational tournament as a "national competition." --Cougs2000 16:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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Points graph
Is that graph necessary? There are already two different kinds of tables and a third way of reading the standings is really beginning to infringe on WP:NOT (indiscriminate collection of information - statistics). As a comparison, 2007 Major League Baseball season has no corresponding chart, and their statistics is much more interesting than that of this article. I don't want to discourage people from showing off their ability to make charts amazing, color-coded charts but...why? --Roehl Sybing 06:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

"Storylines"?
What is MLS? A soap opera? There has GOT to be a better way of saying this. 198.49.180.40 22:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Important events, perhaps? Che84 22:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Competition Summary
If SuperLiga is included in the competitions summary in the graphic at the top of the page then the CONCACAF Champions' Cup should be included as well. I don't particularly care if the CCC is added of the SuperLiga is removed, but there should be consistency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.224.137.5 (talk) 13:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

rename to 2007 Major League Soccer season
Would anyone object to renaming this and all the other season pages to "(year) Major League Soccer season"? This way, making wikilinks is easier, and it just sounds better. The current name should redirect to a more grammatically correct name and not the other way around as it does at the moment. I'd be happy to do all the renaming, but does anyone have a really good reason why it should stay as it is? --Roehl Sybing 20:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. —MC 21:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am moving this page and other season pages to different names. I will also start fixing double redirects but help from other editors is also appreciated. --Roehl Sybing 14:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

State Flags
Is it really necessary to put the state flags of the teams next to their names? Heitz669 00:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No. In fact it's kind of silly. Nixem. --Elliskev 00:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

season summary
I suggest that "Major Events" (a section that I created) be changed to a season summary in prose. It would detail how the season progressed and ended. I'd be happy to remove the current section and write the new section myself, but I want to see if anyone has any objections and/or would like to write the section themselves. --Roehl Sybing 02:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Playoff brackets
I think its necessary to update the brackets to our own MLS format. They stick out like a sore thumb. The first round is best of two, while the conference elimination and championship are single elimination. Also, we do not need a third box for the first round as simply putting "(a.e.t.)" and "(a.e.t.), (p.s.o.)" after the winning teams name is sufficient enough for the reader to understand. NiTTYZ 22:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The third box is for an aggregate scoreline, but the rest of your statement holds true. Che84 21:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've spent the better part of these last two days making both the 2007 and 2006 Major League Soccer Season wiki and MLS Cup 2006 wiki to look more user friendly and styled it after the European cups. I know what you mean by having the third box show the aggregate, but all other soccer wiki's don't have a third box. Just my opinion as I'm just trying to making the MLS wiki's more universal. I've been searching hard in attempt to find a way to make a MLS bracket, but I can't find out how to give you all an example. :( NiTTYZ 00:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with the idea of fixing the boxes for the Conference Championships and MLS Cup. We need a way to denote a.e.t for the Dallas-Houston series as well. Perhaps a note, a la the KC note? Theasfl 03:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Attendance
The attendance figures given on this page are the same as those given on 2008 Major League Soccer season. That means at least one set is wrong. Do we have any decent sources for the attendances in the league? Stevebritgimp (talk) 00:47, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

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