Talk:2008 Africa Cup of Nations

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Too Early
Why have the scores been filled out for the competition when the actual competition is 2 weeks away? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.63.192 (talk) 05:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They were added earlier by a vandal, I have reverted it. - MTC (talk) 06:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

BBC World Service
I have added an external link to the BBC World Service. Fast Track is on air on Mondays and Fridays at 1600 GMT and Sundays at 1730 GMT and hopefully it will provide updates on the competition. JoeWiki (talk) 10:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

AfricaN Cup of Nations?
Shouldn't the name of the article be 2008 Africa Cup of Nations since that's the official name of the competition? There could be a redirect from the current name of the article. /Dunord (talk) 00:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Images
Here's the flickr search for free creative commons images related to the Cup, sorted by date. There will probably be a lot of images uploaded that might be of interest for use in the article. JACO PLANE  &bull; 2008-01-20 22:59

Tiebreakers
Where is the section? Only goal difference? Matthew_hk  t  c  17:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We just don't know. – PeeJay 17:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Points, then goal difference, then goals for. If there are still more than one team, then points amongst those teams, then goal difference amongst those teams, then goals for amongst those teams. Then, if all else fails, FIFA draws lots (decides at random!) in a group round. Robert Ullmann (talk) 23:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have any grounds for that? It contradicts CAF's Regulations booklet for the tournament, article 11:4, which I would take to be authoritative on the matter.  I have thus undone PeeJay2K3's alteration, made in good faith upon reading this. Kevin McE (talk) 14:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't recall the link, but it was FIFA's standard rules for group rounds. Obviously a little outdated, since it didn't mention the fair play rules, and used the group differential and goals-for first, then between the teams involved. Thanks for finding the CAF rules. Robert Ullmann (talk) 08:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

On the elimination situation of Groups A and C
I see some users are jumping the gun with the colour shades at Groups A and C, but theoretically, those 2 groups are still wide open.

This is because 3 way ties may occur after the third match (either the first 3 teams having 6 points each or the bottom 3 teams having 3 points each.) Therefore, the fate of the teams in those groups are dependent on the scorelines after the 3rd match.

It doesn't matter whether head to head records or simply goal difference is used as the tiebreaker - Anything can happen, for now. Even though it's not likely.-- Alasdair 21:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, concur. If you look at the results from tonight (26th) it seems certain that Egypt will go through; but that isn't true. The 3rd match in groups of 4 seriously matters! (In this case for example, Cameroun and Zambia could both win, with differential that knocks out Egypt.) My thanks to those updating us. Robert Ullmann (talk) 23:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The various permutations are now posted. Kevin McE (talk) 15:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

On the qualification situation of Group A
The sentence should be : Ghana will qualify unless they lose to Morocco and they lose by more than one goal or they fail to score at least three goals, and Guinea beat Namibia. Reason: If Ghana would loose 2:3 to Morocco, (and Guinea win against Namibia) then Ghana, Morocco and Guinea would have 6 Points. The goaldifference in the matches between the three for all three would be 0. the goals scored in the group matches between the teams concerned would see Morocco with 5 and Ghana and Guinea only 4. The next criteria would be goal-difference in all games: If Guinea wins against Namibia by more than one goal difference, then Guinea would be in the lead and would qualify together with Morocco. If Guinea wins against Namibia by exactly one goal difference, then the goal difference in all group matches would be equally +1 for Guinea and Ghana. The number of goals scored in all group matches would have to be compared between Ghana and Guinea: The "worst" win for Guinea would be 1:0; even then Guinea would have scored equally 5 goals as Ghana. In this special case the next criterias (fair play and then drawing) would have to decide. Any "better" win, like 2:1 for Guinea would leave Ghana not qualified. --Rheinländer (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * "If Ghana would loose 2:3 to Morocco, (and Guinea win against Namibia) then Ghana, Morocco and Guinea would have 6 Points. The goal difference in the matches between the three for all three would be 0. the goals scored in the group matches between the teams concerned would see Morocco with 5 and Ghana and Guinea only 4." I agree with you thus far. However, as I understand it, at that stage first place in the group (to Morocco) will then have been decided, and then, to determine second place in the group, they return to the top of the tiebreaker procedure.  Ghana and Guinea will be tied for second, at the first tiebreaker it is seen that Ghana beat Guinea in the match between them, and thus the situation is resolved in Ghana's favour.  However, that is my reading of the rule booklet, and I can see that it is open to another interpretation.  Maybe the lawyers will have to fight it out if this happens: you have identified ambiguous, and therefore poor, lawmaking.  Kevin McE (talk) 16:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Has there yet never been such a situation with the mode of direct comparison? I only remember equal points between three teams in UEFA Euro 2004 - Group C, but the situation was easier there, because all matches between the concerned teams were draws. --Rheinländer (talk) 17:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It would seem strange for it not to have happened before, but the priority of matches between the teams is fairly recent. The BBC's "Lowdown on Qualification"  dodges the issue!Kevin McE (talk) 18:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately the BBC-article was already changed, before I could see it. Would you please give a résumé to what the BBC-article had to say on the issue? Or have you maybe a copy of the original sentences? --Rheinländer (talk) 11:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It said something along the lines of "if Ghana lose and Guinea win, then qualification will be decided by the criteria above" (refering to the black box still visible on that page), so it was quite unhelpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin McE (talk • contribs) 19:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Qualification Status
Do we really need this? Whoever wrote it did a horrible job grammatically and it will be moot in less than a week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.97.250 (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As the purveyor of horrible grammar, I defy you to try to explain it more concisely without losing accuracy :@) I agree that it is not great prose, and you are right that it should be deleted as each group is resolved, but equivalent explanations are frequently posted to qualification tables, and it was posted largely in the hope that editors would see the evidence that would stop them from erroneously declaring that Ghana or Egypt were certain of progressing, or that Sudan or Namibia could not. Kevin McE (talk) 17:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your writing those (and yes, it is impossible to make the grammar clear in any way I know of) as I did not previously understand why the 5th and 6th matches in a group had to be played simultaneously. I found that very irritating during the '06 World Cup, when I wanted to watch both, and SuperSport insisted on giving us updates on the scoreline of the other match, so there was no way to watch the replay without knowing the outcome. But now I understand much better. Tx, Robert Ullmann (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

3rd Place venue
Apparently there is a conflict of references for the venue of the 3rd place match. cafonline50.com states that the match will be played at the Baba Yara Stadium in Kumasi, whereas the "official site" of the tournament states that the match will be played at the Ohene Djan Stadium in Accra. Which is to be believed? – PeeJay 11:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Participating nations
Is that the map should replaced by a map by result? Matthew_hk  t  c  00:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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