Talk:2008 Hungarian Grand Prix

Testing
Do we really need all the info on the test sessions held in the week before the race? They're not notable, plus this article is supposed to be about the Hungarian GP, and the tests have nothing to do with the race. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Every testing exercise carried out prior to a race can have a significant effect on the performance and technical changes brought on by the teams. Now granted the testing sessions mentioned here focussed more on trials related with next season (probably because it was last session of this summer), still there are certain changes brought on, like Force India's new gearbox and McLaren's new nosecone. You can also refer to certain previous articles which diligently mention testing session carried ahead of respective races (e.g. 2007 British Grand Prix, 2007 French Grand Prix, 2007 Canadian Grand Prix). LeaveSleaves (talk) 20:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

POV
This is not written from a neutral point of view especially when describing the way the drivers were driving. I fully understand that some users will say this was the greatest drive of Glock or Kovalainen, but that is an unsourceable opinion. The whole tone is off by making it sound absolutely amazing which my by some users opinions but not in line with the neutrality of Wikipedia.
 * There are some POV words in there, and also no wikilinks in the entire race section. This is pretty common for the first draft of a race report, and it always gets cleaned up within a day or two. It's not written in a very encyclopedic tone right now, for sure. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Importance
I've dropped the page to mid importance (see here), to conform with the Belgian one. Apterygial (talk) 09:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit April 2010
Following a request at the Guild of Copy Editors, I have completed a full copy edit of this article. I need to clarify the following:
 * Ferrari increased the size of the F2008 chassis's brake cooling ducts following high brake wear at the German Grand Prix, introduced a high, "shark-fin", engine cover, and louvres in the bodywork to improve the car's cooling around its radiators. - Did Ferrari introduce a high "shark-fin", engine cover and louvres [3 items]? Or a high "shark fin", plus the others? It's not very clear.
 * It's "a high, 'shark-fin' engine cover" and "louvres" [2 items]. I've changed it. DH85868993 (talk) 03:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Although I have gone through this as far as copy editing is concerned, I have to stop for now. There still needs to be another check for consistencies, especially to do with numbers, i.e. Xth lap, Xth position or xxxxth position, etc. Full compliance to WP:MoS is necessary for FA. If someone has the time, please try to do this. Otherwise, I will try to have a look at this again when I have some time. Cheers. -- S Masters (talk) 13:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Copyediting points
Questions from my ongoing copyedit.
 * Perhaps to get around the problems of the long lists of race order, you could just go over the top ten, not the whole field.
 * I would still prefer to keep the full list of runners, unless it becomes an insurmountable obstacle to FA status.-- Midgrid  (talk)  23:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said in one of my edit summaries, numbers have to be consistent (WP:ORDINAL, the second bullet point). This should probably mean that article should have "first and thirteenth", not "first and 13th". This is worth checking.
 * I've changed the one remaining instance of this inconsistency that I could find.-- Midgrid  (talk)  23:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

As far as I've got. Aptery gial  10:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Have we discussed "teammate" or "team-mate"? I've been using the former after it was changed either in preparation for or at an FAC.
 * Changed.-- Midgrid  (talk)  23:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the copyedit! I'll have a look at these questions when the race weekend is over.--  Midgrid  (talk)  18:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I was wondering what you think of the sentence "The race remains Kovalainen's only Formula One win, as of [date]". Do you think the "as of..." part is necessary?-- Midgrid  (talk)  23:28, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it needs it to make sense. The one thing I was thinking is that the date qualifier may work better starting the sentence, so "As of November 2010, the race remains Kovalainen's only Formula One win." Otherwise the date just looks tacked on. On another note, I agree with previous reviews that the lead could be extended. More detail on the race for example, or the role of the race in the Championship (I believe Massa's camp points to this race and his engine failure as being pivotal). Aptery  gial  11:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Although almost nonexistent on the web, hard-copy often uses en dashes for partnerships. This distinguishes partnerships from single sponsors with hyphenated names, like Simca-Gordini or Frazer-Nash. Although anyone familiar with the Grand Prix will with rare exception be able to parse them regardless, Force India–Ferrari does clarify that Force India is one sponsor, rather than there being something called the "Force (India-Ferrari)", that is, an "India-Ferrari Force". A minor point most readers are unlikely to notice, but a courtesy. — kwami (talk) 19:34, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you!-- Midgrid  (talk)  19:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Though Mercedes might avoid the "Benz" for precisely this reason, imagine McLaren-Mercedes-Benz as a hypothetical example, which the (truly) naive might think was a three-way partnership. Punctuating it McLaren–Mercedes-Benz would clarify matters. — kwami (talk) 19:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's another: Talbot-Lago–Talbot. — kwami (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Official name
Congratulations for making FA, but I just noticed an unsourced information that is likely to be wrong: the official name "XXIII ING Magyar Nagydíj". It is at least bad punctuation, in Hungarian it should be "XXIII. ING Magyar Nagydíj", with the dot implying 23rd. But even more problematic is the usage of n-th for a name containing the sponsor name, given that the sponsor changes. Indeed there are only two low-quality hits on Google when restricted to .hu, but eight news site hits for "XXIII. Magyar Nagydíj". Adding Formula One to the name, there is still but one low-quality hit for "XXIII. Formula 1 ING Magyar Nagydíj", three for "XXIII. Formula 1 Magyar Nagydíj", seven for the common usage corrupted form "XXIII. Forma 1 Magyar Nagydíj", and a full 491 for its variant "XXIII. Forma-1-es Magyar Nagydíj" (where "-es" is a modifier without equivalent in English). But leaving the "XIII." off, there are 2,390 hits on the Hungary domain for "Formula 1 ING Magyar Nagydíj", and still 1,790 for the corrupted form "Forma 1 ING Magyar Nagydíj" (these hits are for the three years when ING was the sponsor: 2007, 2008 and 2009). Checking the official poster at the official Formula One site, the name on it is indeed "Formula 1 ING Magyar Nagydíj"; checking the Hungaroring site, the current year's event is named "Formula 1 ENI Magyar Nagydíj 2011". --Rontombontom (talk) 11:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed. Thanks for the information!--  Midgrid  (talk)  16:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Should include a year, so "Formula 1 ING Magyar Nagydíj 2008". Aptery  gial  08:59, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Done.-- Midgrid  (talk)  14:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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